On Thursday, September 26, 2019, 11:27:52 AM CDT, bill.hord bill.hord@... [hegel] <hegel@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

What makes the "death of God" as the "sublation of finitude" "monstrous ... huge, gigantic, colossal, frightening, mighty, enormous, shocking, amazing, atrocious, [and] excessive" is that self-consciousness is infinite (in the sense, minimally, that like life it has itself as its end). The "ungeheuer" quality is due to this "death" taken as placing the end of self-consciousness in a beyond, alien to itself.

The finitude of human beings is a frequent, even ubiquitous, theme here, but I think not a reflection of Hegel's actual views. I don't agree with Stephen Theron about many things, but I think we agree in some sense about this.

Bill 

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Subject: Re: [hegel] The monstrous death of God

 

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Eric,

I think we should focus on the concept, not subjective preference in translation, which ultimately requires us to read entire texts strictly in the original language. How would other translation choices affect the concept of the death of the God-man as the sublation of finitude? This death is all these words.

Thanks,

Mary

On Thursday, September 26, 2019, 10:38:49 AM CDT, 'Eric v.d. Luft' ericvdluft@... [hegel] <hegel@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Studying a philosopher in translation is OK as far as it goes, but doing
textual criticism of a philosopher without referring to the original
language is wrongheaded, futile, indolent, and often just plain stupid.

I imagine that the term "monstrous" which you all are discussing in this
thread is really "ungeheuer," which, besides "monstrous," can also mean
"huge, gigantic, colossal, frightening, mighty, enormous, shocking,
amazing, atrocious, excessive." Perhaps you should focus on that.

FWIW,

E.

Eric v.d. Luft, Ph.D., M.L.S.
Owner, Gegensatz Press
North Syracuse, New York
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