- Sep 2Yes indeed (second trial)!Would your term "presentation-logical" be something like "expository", as in the logic of the exposition (not analytical logic)? In that case I'd agree there is a tertium datur.Yes, transcend would refer to the over-go from consiousness to self-consciousness, and thus 'from-to' would hold.But your 'but' is the most intriguing because it talks to my own hunch/intuition:quote... but: each-my consciousness - 'already' - here and now - is primarily related to 'the' consciousness of all the others of myself, related a priorily, related here and now in space-time ... related 'before' consciousness can become self-consciousness, i.e. my relation to my self, my relation to myself ... which is: each-my relation to each-my meaning.Maybe, then, that "Sense Certainty" in PhoS, thus, has got the status of a presentation-logical primacy (darstellungslogischer Primat) ... if absolute knowledge were knowable knowledge.end quoteBut I am not exactly sure of how to interpret what you are saying.Let me try to say this in response (something I've tried to say in a previous post): The Consciousness Section (three chapters) is a straight phenomenology of Sense, Perception and Understanding. The Self-Consciousness section is more a conceptual history of the development of self-consciousness which explores how each stage of the development imbues self-consciousness with its traits, and maps the manner in which the I struggles to become a We.So the second section does not 'follow' the first in any simple sense (in terms of any known narrative logic). It is a presentation-logic, but it is only we who are going from the first to the second. Thus, while Hegel's exposition proceeds from the first, to the second, the relation between the first and the second is independent of this presentation. That is though the exposition progresses from one to two (permitting us to think of a progression from one to the other), the two groups of patterns of consciousness occupy different spaces. The one is phenomenologically primary, the second is historically primary. Chicken or egg though..,I have not yet a good sense of the exposition of Absolute Knowing, so I find your statement there intriguing and wanting to read more.ThanksSrivats
... second trial ...
JHAm 01.09.2019 um 09:06 schrieb wmdepot:Am 31.08.2019 um 06:45 schrieb R Srivatsan r.srivats@... [hegel]:The word transition however could be either spatially or temporally modeled: if spatially, between/and would work; if temporally, from/to would work.
Hello Srivats,
... what if there were a tertium datur: "from - to" indicating a presentation-logical (darstellungs[-]logische) procedure ...
transitio,-onis; trans-ire: 'trans = über, over' and 'ire = gehen, go'; über gehen, 'to over-go' (a 'bad germanism'); lat: transire = to transcend (latin-english translation)
... to 'overgo' to the next presentation-logical steps: out of the pure simpleness of sense-certainty, seen as the condition of possibility of any perception: First Section "Consciousness" a) sense-certainty; b) perception; c) mind
Second section "Self-Consciousness": relation of consciousness to conciousness, self-consciousness, i.e. self-relation ... getting conscious on 'my' consciousness ... master and slave ...
... but: each-my consciousness - 'already' - here and now - is primarily related to 'the' consciousness of all the others of myself, related a priorily, related here and now in space-time ... related 'before' consciousness can become self-consciousness, i.e. my relation to my self, my relation to myself ... which is: each-my relation to each-my meaning
Maybe, then, that "Sense Certainty" in PhoS, thus, has got the status of a presentation-logical primacy (darstellungslogischer Primat) ... if absolute knowledge were knowable knowledge.
... yes, I do agree: Absolute Knowing - i.e. the knowing of the Absolute as the Absolute - circles back to Sense-Certainty: the utmost status of mediation circles back to the primary status of mediation, putting this primary status into the light of the utmost circle ... showing it to be a - first - momentum of a circle of circles ... just another circle and - nevertheless - pure simplicityAm 31.08.2019 um 06:45 schrieb R Srivatsan r.srivats@... [hegel]:This way of looking at it would make sense if we said that Absolute Knowing circled back to Sense Certainty, thus putting a question to 'from-to'.
... sense-certainty, thus, would have to be regarded as 'absolute simpleness', 'pure simplicity', 'read out' under the premise of the (imagination of a) position of the absolute; circle of circles, a circle of 'gymwheel-circles' ... darstellungs-logically taken. The expression 'gym-wheel circles' would mean: the circles within the circle of circles each have to run through the head ... just a 'method' "to learn to walk on the head" - "lernen, auf dem Kopf zu gehen" (G.W.F Hegel)
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