- Dec 29, 2018
Surface show is not a speculative concept. It is a descriptive concept, one that Hegel uses in the Phenomenology.
Descriptive concepts need not be transcendental.
And given that surface show describes a speculative process which is self-constituting, it cannot be here playing a role in a transcendental account.
If it were a transcendental concept then it would be a factor that the philosopher employs in his constitution.
- Alan
From: hegel@yahoogroups.com <hegel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 12:02 AM
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Subject: RE: [hegel] Some difficulty in 117 PhS Miller
What is left unexplained is the concept of surface show. From where I stand, you seem to be giving it the role of transcendentality.João.
---In hegel@yahoogroups.com, <ponikvaraj@...> wrote
One of the ironies of Hegel interpretation is that while truth for Hegel is a surface show one does not find truth in what I would call a naïve or surface reading.
Truth is not about what lies beyond the phenomenal realm since even for those who identify truth with the Christian god, the truth about this god is played out in the world and in this way remains a surface show.
However, the significance of the surface show has us looking for something more than a mere step by step progression through the modes. There are patterns, allusions and allegories that seem to be where the serious work must be done.
That is why I added a second post to my first. Following the surface which is what I try to do in my first post is not enough. There has to be something about what all this means.
- Alan
From: hegel@yahoogroups.com <hegel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 9:41 PM
To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hegel] Some difficulty in 117 PhS MillerThanks Alan,
the reference to 116 puts things in some perspective: that Hegel sees the perceptual consciousness (pc) [at this stage in the exposition of the section] as having its criterion of truth as a thing that is self identical. And perhaps the unstated predicate here is simple. The thing is simple and self-identical. He already hints that the simpleness of the object is disturbed by its diversity. The process at the level of pc follows in 117, in the lines I quoted.
Srivats
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 11:05 PM 'Alan Ponikvar' ponikvaraj@... [hegel] <hegel@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
For decades this paragraph has given me more difficulty than any other paragraph in the entire Phenomenology.
As I read it now what makes it so difficult is that he seems to go back and forth between speaking about the thing and speaking about its properties.
In 116 Hegel identifies the true with the universal and self-identical. In 117 It is the need to attribute a self-identity to what is universal that creates a conflict that provokes a progress.
There is also a double vision in play between the thing as object and the thing as a multitude of properties.
First, there is the object as self-identical taken as a One.. But we also perceive (the double vision) properties that transcends this One that also have the character of a universal.
To accommodate the property as universal, what is self-identical must be reconceived as a community of such properties.
So, what accounts for the move from the first to the second sentence is first the double vision and then the conflict instigated when the properties as universal call for a self-identity specific to a collection of such properties.
However, because the property is determinate, the object needs to be posited more precisely as a One that excludes – once again the vision pertaining to one – here the property - leads to a revision in the other – the object.
We have learned when Hegel gave his account of the thing how the thing as self-conflicted must be conceived both as a One that excludes and as a passive medium.
What is new is how he now goes on to characterize this One that excludes as a broken up One given that the one can be broken up and taken as a collection of determinate properties that exclude what they are not.
But these properties that exclude what they are not nonetheless are gathered with other properties that are not determinately different but indifferently different.
A sugar cube is white not blue. But as white it is indifferent to its being a cube. This indifference allows such properties to be gathered.
The properties as gathered calls for a reconception with the community or what Hegel here calls the continuity in general now taken as self-identical as a universal common medium.
That is, the properties as gathered, because they are gathered as indifferent, have a continuity or self-identity that is taken as a medium.
But because of the double vision, this is not the end of the matter. What I perceive as true – with a shift of focus – is not the universal medium but single properties found in this medium.
Here the fact that the focus is on the single property is used by Hegel to end the progression. With our vision fixed on the property as single Hegel claims we are thrown back into sense certain cognition.
It seems that with the single property we could just as easily have noted the plurality and returned to the community, starting the cycle for a second time. However, this would not have been a perfect cycle in that we would have left out the first move which was to identify the object as a One.
So, there seems to be something significant about this falling back into sense certain knowing that currently eludes me.
But it is safe to say that as Hegel presents the matter, this first attempt to grasp the object of perception does not get off the mark.
- Alan
From: hegel@yahoogroups.com <hegel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 5:21 AM
To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hegel] Some difficulty in 117 PhS MillerHello
I have some difficulty in para 117, PhS Miller, which isn't going away. It seems a fairly simple problem of concept/language, but things are deceptive (pun intended). After Hegel speaks of unfolding the contradictions in the perceiving consciousness of what 'we' have seen, in the first couple of lines, he goes on to these two sentences:
quote
The object which I apprehend presents itself purely as a One; but I also perceive in it a property which is universal, and which,thereby transcends the singularity [of the object]. The first being of the objective essence as a One was therefore not its true being.
end quote
Why does the second sentence follow from the first? It seems as if the truth taking consciousness first simply accepts the object seen as true -- as a One (singular). But in this singular, I see a property that is not unique -- shared by other things. Therefore, Hegel suggests, "the first being of the objective essence as a One was therefore not its true being". There is something presumed here in the first sentence. When we perceive, we simply perceive -- we don't submit to the "taking of its truth". When we see the property, we simply take note of it, at least that's how I would see it. We don't see a truth threatening contradiction which says that my One is not actually a One. What am 'I' as a perceptive consciousness assuming I perceive in this instance. What is the 'I' expecting, and what does it posit as the outcome of its perception of a 'One'?
This sort of 'extremism' suggests that in perception, just as the ability to sense was severely constrained in the Sense Certainty section, the ability to accommodate aspects of truth seems to be constrained here. In other words, what is the perceptive attitude Hegel assumes in this section?
Srivats--
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