- Dec 22, 2018
Though useful given the current state of Hegel scholarship, I do not care for the distinction between a non-metaphysical and metaphysical interpretation of Hegel.
The metaphysical interpretation tends to identify Hegel’s absolute with god while the non-metaphysical tends to demote the absolute to a concept and demote concepts to nondialectical abstractions.
In my view, both are mistaken interpretations.
Hegel separates his account of rational activity from his account of the human animal who is the rational actor. But rational activity remains decidedly cognitive in the human sense.
So, for instance, while there is infinite thinking there is no such thing in Hegel as an infinite intellect except as a representation of a god. And we (should) know that representations are not speculative truths.
Intellect as human is finite in that a distinction can be drawn between the cognitive act – thinking - and the cognitive object – the thought.
Given how Hegel conceives infinite thinking, only a finite intellect is capable of infinite thinking.
So, thought thinking itself is what happens to finite reason at its own limits.
Prior to Hegel, such limit thinking was seen as problematic. As either a regress or a circle – as an impasse of reason – reason itself at its own limits appears to be irrational. It appears to be a reason unable to express a determinate thought.
It is a reason that equivocates as it goes back and forth between two thoughts that appear to mutually implicate in this way generating an unwelcome infinite movement – in this way generating a dialectic.
So, infinite thinking as it first comes on the scene appears as a dialectic that marks a breakdown of reason.
Hegel identifies infinite thinking in the Phenomenology as the dialectic that marks the breakdown of consciousness.
But he then says that this negative result can also be viewed in a positive manner. This is the same dialectic reconceived as what he calls the truth of consciousness for us.
With this, Hegel indicates how he is going to view the seeming irrationality of an infinite thinking – the dialectic identified as an impasse of reason – as itself a thinking with reason.
Thus, we get reason that as dialectical is taken to abide contradiction. Otherwise put, the very indicator of irrationality prior to Hegel is reconceived as an infinite self-generating reason. Or, what had always been problematic about human reason is shown by Hegel to be reason as infinite.
The Logic acts out this infinite self-thinking. This is a decidedly human thinking because infinite thinking is finite thinking unable to pin down a finite determination. What is experienced by the understanding as the failure to pin down its thought as determinate – what is experienced as a troubling regress or circle of reason – is when taken positively the manifestation of speculative reason.
We do not have to shift from the human to some imagined divine intellect to get infinite thinking. All we need to do is change our point of view on the dialectic.
Thought thinking itself is for the understanding a paradoxical and self-conflicted thinking.
And Hegel says that precisely because this dialectic of thought thinking itself is paradoxical and self-conflicted is it rational. Infinite reason is the inverse side of a finite reason that as infinite is viewed to be irrational.
As speculative, reason is not solely the runaway bad infinite of the understanding. It also can be viewed speculatively as the true infinite that exhibits an infinite self-generating form.
Thought thinking itself when comprehended speculatively is not a vision of the absolute. It is a thinking that becomes its own thoughts. It is a reason that first appears mad.
There is a method to this seeming madness. In fact, comprehending the method to this madness is the absolute idea.
This is why the absolute idea has nothing to do with god and everything to do with what Hegel presents in the Logic which is an extended discourse on the method of thought thinking itself – the very method employed by the human readers of the Logic who by using this method are able to be infinite self-thinkers or as humans see how their own limitations play a crucial role in the generation of infinite self-thinking by the finite rational human intellect.
- Alan
From: hegel@yahoogroups.com <hegel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:22 AM
To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hegel] metaphysicsHello John,
I don't see how one can advance a supposedly non-metaphysical
interpretation of Hegel, but then endorse self-thinking thought. To
suppose that thought can think itself, as opposed to supposing that
material beings are (sometimes) capable of thought, and that there is
no thought without embodiment, constitutes an idealist metaphysics.
Rather, I would assume that a thoroughly non-metaphysical philosophy
(be it Hegel's, or anyone else's) would be naturalistic-- and also
non-religious.
For me the exemplary instance of a non-metaphysical case for Hegel is
Alan Wood's book on Hegel's Ethics, which opens with dismissing
Hegel's metaphysics (I don't have it in front of me, so I may not have
his terminology accurately), and holds that his ethics can stand on
their own, are *inherently plausible*, and do not need any
metaphysical support or integration.
For me, the metaphysical - religious interpretation of Hegel is
obvious. Even when not expounding theology, his philosophy is
saturated with religiosity. Yet I would agree with Wood that it is
possible to remove an element of his system, e.g. ethics, and make a
case for it without bringing in anything metaphysical or religious.
And Ken Westphal offers a resolutely non-religious /non-metaphysical
case for Hegel's epistemology. So, it can be done.
BruceOn 12/22/18, jgbardis@... [hegel] <hegel@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Hello Bruce,
>
>
> I read a book recently that argued for the non-metaphysical reading of
> Hegel.
>
>
> It argued, very well, very convincingly, very correctly, that the Absolute
> Idea with which Hegel concludes the SL was "thought thinking itself".
>
>
> The writer seemed to have no knowledge at all of Aristotle. He had no
> awareness that Aristotle defined God as just this same "thought thinking
> itself".
>
>
> Hegel explicitly ties his philosophy to the book of Aristotle (which we
> call the Metaphysics) which deals with God as "thought thinking itself" by
> presenting a quote from Aristotle on this subject to conclude his
> Encyclopedia.
>
>
> So, then, we call "thought thinking itself" the metaphysical definition of
> God.
>
>
> So this writer showed very well that, with the Absolute Idea, Hegel was
> dealing with this metaphysical definition of God. And in doing so, because
> of his complete ignorance of Aristotle, he imagined he had shown a
> non-metaphysical reading of Hegel.
>
>
> Those who advance a non-metaphysical reading of Hegel suppose metaphysics
> to deal with an object, God or the absolute or whatever, that is opposed to
> us as the subject. This would make it just one more object among all the
> others that are dealt with in Kant's first critique. This would make
> metaphysics a type of finite thought, thought which is opposed to an
> object.
>
>
> But Aristotle's God--thought thinking itself--which is the same as Hegel's
> Absolute Idea--is not an example of consciousness, of thought opposed to an
> object, or finite thought. It is thought thinking itself. It is infinite
> thought--thought unbounded by any object except itself.
>
>
> It is too bad that the book that Aristotle wrote on this subject of thought
> thinking itself--God--has gotten so confused simply because of its supposed
> title. Whatever its title might be, that does not change the content of the
> book.
>
>
> Nor does it excuse the complete ignorance of so-called Hegel scholars.
>
>
> John
>
>
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