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43289RE: [hegel] metaphysics

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  • Alan Ponikvar
    Dec 13, 2018

      By calling Hegel a philosopher of qualified consummation you position yourself on one side of the identity/difference debate about how to characterize Hegel’s take on the absolute.

       

      You align with those who privilege the identity. I align with those who privilege the difference.

       

      The way this debate plays out is very much the way the old continental/analytic divide played out.

       

      The identity folks are tagged as simple minded by the difference folks and the difference folks are tagged as obscure by the identity folks.

       

      I see that in you comments about my reading.

       

      You privilege your simple-mindedness as validly critical.

       

      There is little I can do about this.

       

      I pay attention to the identity folks, but what I am particularly interested in is the quality of their questions.

       

      You can judge the depth of a philosophical outlook by paying attention to the questions that determine the outlook.

       

      Your opting for consummation is one with your interest in the epistemological question of how cognition can justify its access to the world.

       

      You are in my view trapped within the wrong question set having to do with oppositional issues, hence your interest in consummation.

       

      • Alan

       

       

       

      From: hegel@yahoogroups.com <hegel@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 1:38 PM
      To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [hegel] metaphysics

       

       

      Alan,

      > The speculative truth of the matter is that what is thinkably absolute is
      > reason at its own limits.

      Your approach strikes me as more in the spirit of Kant than Hegel
      insofar as you fixate on dialectic as an impasse. For Kant, as for
      you, this then proves to be a salutary impasse, pushing us to the next
      stage.

      But at that juncture, you diverge from Kant.

      But your divergence does not strike me as either in the spirit or the
      letter of Hegel, whom I take to be, qua a more standard interpretation
      (I believe, and who am I to say?!)
      to be a philosopher of (qualified) consummation.
      Xtianity as the consummate religion > Hegel's consummate philosophy.

      Your divergence is instead in the spirit & letter of certain
      contemporary philosophers whom you learn from.

      Bruce

      On 12/13/18, 'Alan Ponikvar' ponikvaraj@... [hegel]
      <hegel@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      > Hegel rescues reason by showing how reason abides contradiction.
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      > This is nonmetaphysical because reason does not break through its own limits
      > to think the absolute as if it were some metaphysical object.
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      > Instead, reason is limit thinking.
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      > For Hegel, as with Kant, the illusion – metaphysical in nature - is to
      > believe that there is something thinkably absolute beyond the limit.
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      > The speculative truth of the matter is that what is thinkably absolute is
      > reason at its own limits.
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      > * Alan

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