- Sep 18, 2014
---In hegel@yahoogroups.com, <vascojoao2003@...> wrote :CORRECTED VERSION: IGNORE PREVIOUSI said : if you remove perception - the activity of consciousness - you also remove all the dialectical movement of the object.Randall replied: "Well I don't think that it's my role to argue with Joào here, let's instead see what the text has to say about this shall we?
Below we approach a topic (i.e. the Antinomies) where Hegel lauds Kant for acknowledging how the pervasive nature of contradiction is inevitable and essential, he at the same time scolds Kant for not applying contradiction to the world itself:"
And Randall also quoted Hegel saying amongst other things this: "But the antinomies appear in all objects of every kind, in all conceptions, notions, and Ideas. To be aware of this and to know objects in this property of theirs makes a vital part in a philosophical theory."
From which Randall triumphally concluded: Wow! According to the above it seems that Joào is completely wrong."
If we put this together we begin to see that Randall does NOT agree that removing consciousness from the picture the object of perception loses its dialectical nature, by which we can only conclude that for Randall the object of perception independently of perception still maintains its dialectical life, its antinomical character let's add it to bring the passages from Hegel.
For Randall, thus, antinomy and self-negation is a characteristic of objects themselves independently of their relation to and with us. If not, then he agrees with me. But he doesn't agree with me and so,
Let's hear from Hegel what these objects, independently from their relation to consciousness, to us, are:
"The Thing-in-itself (and under 'thing' is embraced even Mind and God) expresses the object when we leave out of sight all that consciousness makes of it, all its emotional aspects, and all specific thoughts of it. It is easy to see what is left utter abstraction, total emptiness, only described still as an 'other-world' the negative of every image, feeling, and definite thought. Nor does it require much penetration to see that this caput mortuum is still only a product of thought (...)"
https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/hegel.htm parag. 44.
So, Randall, do tell us about those antinomies that populate all the objects independently of our relation to them.
João.
---In hegel@yahoogroups.com, <vascojoao2003@...> wrote :Randall was delighted with himself with his quote about the antinomies.What is it that must be presupposed for the concept of antinomy to bear any meaning, any substance any real negativity?Law. Nomos. Anti-Nomos. Anti-lawLaw, for Hegel, is a conquest of the relation of understanding with its objects and so it is already beyond what perception would ever be able. So, this means, speculatively, that the antinomical nature of objects can only bear any relevance given the presupposition of the understanding for which the antinomy is a scandal. Without the understanding giving urgency and relevance, being even, to antinomies who cares about antinomy, what relevance or existence can it possibly have?João. - << Previous post in topic Next post in topic >>
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