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2295Re: [hegel] Hegel & Islam

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  • JOHN BARDIS
    Mar 10, 2004
      But, certainly, Ralph, you could be wrong about all that. Men aren't bound to the particular
      in the same way that cats and dogs are.

      There's been a fair amount of scholarship that has come out on Ibn Arabi in the past fifteen
      years, and it is interesting.

      But here is something from the Ibn Arabi scholar, William Chittick, that suggests that what you
      say would be true if you were talking about birds or chipmunks, but certainly not about humans:

      "In the diverse creatures of the cosmos other than man the traces of God's names and
      attributes are externalized as the specific and unique characteristics of each thing. Every
      creature in the universe 'knows' God in a specific, differentiated, and determined way, defined
      by the attributes that the thing displays, or by the 'word' that it embodies; each thing gives
      news of God and displays His signs through occupying its specific niche in the never-repeated
      speech of God that is the universe.

      "Man alone is given the potential to know God in a global, synthetic manner, because man
      alone is created in the image not of one or of several specific names, but in the image
      of the all-comprehensive name Allah.

      "Knowledge of things as they actually are can only come through knowing them as
      disclosures of the Real. It is only this sort of knowledge that allows man to see
      that everything in this world is accursed if he does not see it as displaying the Real,
      and that he himself is accursed to the extent that he does not know that things do
      in fact display the Real.

      "As Ibn Arabi said, 'The greatest sin is what brings about the death of the heart.
      It dies only by not knowing God. This is what is named "ignorance".'"

      I can't imagine that Hegel would disagree with any of that.

      Concerning the book about the Jews, I was interested to know if Hegel had any Jewish students.

      John

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Ralph Dumain
      To: hegel@yahoogroups.com ; "hegel"@...
      Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:08 PM
      Subject: Re: [hegel] Hegel & Islam


      As interesting as this is, the original thesis is specious. The form and
      content of all of these religions are not only different from one another,
      but are so because they cannot be arbitrarily abstracted from and reduced
      to floating abstract notions apart from the very particular social and
      cultural beliefs, practices, and arrangements that give them any
      recognizable content or form at all. Each of these religions instantiates
      provincial superstitions and repressive social practices and prettying them
      up by abstracting an esoteric interpretation is duplicity of the highest
      order. Protestantism may well have been in the advance position on the
      road to modernity, but it proved to be as vicious and oppressive as all the
      rest. Secularized, rationalized, and even departicularized versions of it
      do not indicate a fundamental overcoming of its social and philosophical
      limitations. Hence this whole argument is a lie though and through,
      whether it is supported by religionists or Stalinist Hegelians, all of whom
      stink to high heaven.

      On this note, I had a chance to peruse the first three chapters of GERMAN
      IDEALISM AND THE JEWS, concluding with the chapter on Hegel. It's not a
      pretty picture. I'll have more to say later.

      At 01:09 PM 3/10/2004 -0500, JOHN BARDIS wrote:
      >From: "JOHN BARDIS" <jgbardis@...>
      >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:09:33 -0500
      >Subject: Re: [hegel] Hegel & Islam
      >Reply-To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
      >
      >
      >According to Hegel all true religions have the same content but different
      >forms.
      >
      >So what is this content?
      >
      >I believe the content of true religion for Hegel is, first, that God is
      >triune, and, second, that God has the form of a man. So, obviously, the
      >form of Christianity is best suited to this content.
      >
      >This content is seemingly not to be found in Islam. But this content is
      >certainly to be found in the work of Ibn 'Arabi. For many Muslims Ibn
      >'Arabi is regarded as a heretic and a crypto-Christian




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