RE: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock Prohibitions?
- Well said Andre. The subtitle of my book includes the words Convenience &
Freedom and part of that is the ability to camp in undesignated places like
you describe. But as hammock campers, we should all be aware that we are
setting an example for those who will follow. As you suggest, Leave No
Trace techniques and personal integrity will go a long way setting the
proper example .Ed
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From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]
On Behalf Of André Corterier
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 4:38 AM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock Prohibitions?
In my personal opinion, what is more important is what will happen if
someone finds you where some rule or other states you shouldn't be. In
Germany, camping rules are difficult to even ascertain. My solution has
been to stay away from what is clearly private property, and to
practice Leave No Trace (including visual Leave No Trace, sometimes
called camouflage). When I hang my bark-brown hammock in a convenient
fold in the landscape, I'm effectively gone from sight even in
daylight - after dusk, you'd literally have to stumble against my
hammock to notice me. As I like to hang 30 to 50 yards (sometimes a
little more) off the trail, that seems exceedingly unlikely (and has
If found by a person that believes to have reason to tell me that what
I'm doing is illegal, I'll apologize politely, point out that I took
extreme care not to damage anything (tree huggers etc.) without trying
to thereby tell him (invariably a male) that he's wrong, tell him again
that I'm sorry and just didn't know and vacate the position. What's
wrong with a little night hike now and then?
As long as I don't get fined (or worse) for what I'm doing, it's good
enough for me to observe the point of the regulations. I'll be the
first to admit that being so selective about rules is quite iffy
(especially coming from a lawyer), but as long as I am certain that I
do no harm to anyone, I think I'll just try it out.
And honestly, as long as we don't do fool stunts like lighting open
fire in the woods or such, hanging off the trail in a hammock in a
subdued colour means we need never have that kind of conversation in
the first place.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Palefrei <palefrei@y...> wrote:
> Just got my first hammock, a Hennessy Expedition Ultralight
> Talking to a 'buddie' of mine about it, he tells me it's
> 'against the law' to tie hammocks to trees in Michigan
> state parks and other places up there. (I'm in Ohio).
> I figure it's just sour-grapes from him, since he tends to
> poo-poo anything he doesn't own...
> what say ye?
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When were you hassled about hammocking in Yellowstone? I asked Xanterra reservations for the campgrounds that accepted reservations about hammocks and tieing to trees. No one there knew of an issue, AND, no park people hassled us about the hammocks. We moved around a lot during a week there, sightseeing in one area, then moving to another. We stayed at Bridge Bay, Grant, Norris, Madison (IIRC, and that may have been our one miserable night in a tent), Canyon, and Pebble Creek. We also spent a night in Grand Teton, Fremont Lake Forest Service Campground, and in Buffalo Bill Cody State Park, hammocking with no hassles. This was last summer, 2004. Maybe some enlightenment is creeping into places?
From: Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...<mailto:Ralph.oborn@...>>
Subject: Re: Re: Hammock Prohibitions?
The ranger in Yellowstone that was hassling me agreed that if I put a
few sticks between the rope and the tree (vertically) then the tree
would be unharmed. This was before I knew about tree huggers.
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- I've used a stick to help untie my hennessy knot. it helps keep the
knot away from the tree. this was on a big tree where the huger didnt
reach all the way around. I put a 2 in dia stick and tied the knot
right beside it.
Coy Boy (nowhere neer smart as ralph, seriously! but I do spell better)
--- In email@example.com, "Ed Speer" <ed@s...> wrote:
> Excellent idea Ralph! We should ALL be concerned about damaging
> matter where they are, State Parks or elsewhere. Using a few dead
> from the ground is just SMART. Even webbing users could help set a good
> example by doing the same...Ed
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> Author, Hammock Camping, The Complete Guide
> Editor, Hammock Camping News
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> From: firstname.lastname@example.org
> On Behalf Of Ralph Oborn
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:27 PM
> To: email@example.com
> Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock Prohibitions?
> The ranger in Yellowstone that was hassling me agreed that if I put a
> few sticks between the rope and the tree (vertically) then the tree
> would be unharmed. This was before I knew about tree huggers.
> On 6/2/05, jwj32542 <jwj32542@y...> wrote:
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Palefrei <palefrei@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > I figure it's just sour-grapes from him, since he tends to
> > > poo-poo anything he doesn't own...
> > >
> > > what say ye?
> > I say don't go to those parks.
> > Most of the state parks I've been to will only let you camp in the
> > designated sites, and I don't like to camp in these sites
> > anyway...more critters, loud neighbors, hard packed (i.e. dusty)
> > ground, etc.
> > But if you hike a few miles, you're usually just outside the park
> > boundary where you CAN camp wherever you want to...even hanging from
> > trees.
> > Some of the parks have designated hike-in sites. These are often
> > not checked, and if they are the rangers can be lenient if you're
> > using tree huggers or webbing. Their concern is protecting the
> > trees. Well, I hear some of them are concerned with power
> > and "enforcing the rules" over common sense, but I've yet to meet
> > one like that.
> > If you do go to those parks, check the regulations (or ask a
> > ranger), or bring along a hammock stand if you're car camping.
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