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[Hammock Camping] Re: Poly Tube - Down Air Mattress - Full Size Prototype Done

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  • zippydooda
    ... The height of the edges using the Speer design is pretty sensitive to the way you fold/roll the ends. Post 6591 from last week has some info. I found this
    Message 1 of 7 , Oct 12, 2004
      --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Erika Sohn" <sohn@a...> wrote:
      > <snip>
      > I also finished sewing a "speer hammock"...It came out pretty
      > nice! The problem with it is that the edges are a bit high and when
      > I get in the hammock, it seems to swallow me...I can't look out into
      > the wilderness.
      > What can one do about that? (I was thinking on using
      > narrower fabric)

      The height of the edges using the Speer design is pretty sensitive to
      the way you fold/roll the ends. Post 6591 from last week has some

      I found this back at message 2095, from Ed Speer himself, replying to
      someone else's question:

      From: "Ed Speer" <info@s...>
      Date: Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:33 am
      Subject: RE: Hammock Camping Re: a couple questions

      Good question Matt--I have tried several different shapes, but stayed
      with the rectangular shape not only for simplicity, but also because
      it is a good compromise of comfort, weight, bulk & costs. I didn't
      find vast improvement in comfort with different shapes; however, I
      did find an unacceptable increase in the "falling-out" feeling with
      some shapes. Having droopy sides only works well if the hammock is
      much wider than 5'. Solid nylon fabrics, like my hammocks are made
      from, only come in manufactured widths of 5'; thus I use 'proud'
      sides to keep one from falling out. Basically I've found that
      comfort is most dependent on fabric, size and setup. Larger (longer
      &/or wider) hammocks can be more comfortable, but at the cost of
      greater weight, bulk and expense. Also remember that the longer the
      tie outs and the greater the unoccupied sag, the more comfort.
      Here's a trick to reduce the 'proud' sides: tie the end knots with
      less shortening of the top edges--for instance use 1" instead of 2"
      to pull the edges into the end knots. To summerrize: anyone who
      finds a Speer hammock has too much 'shoulder squeeze' might consider
      hanging it with longer tie outs and/or more sag--or they may need a
      longer one.

      Since my experiments are limited, I'd also love to hear from others
      who've tried different shapes or designs. Hope this helps some Matt--
      best of luck with your ideas and keep us informed...Ed

      -----Original Message-----
      From: matthulbert
      Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:55 AM
      To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Hammock Camping Re: a couple questions

      I am not sure if I can explain this properly, but after doing a
      Speer hammock from the book, I feel like the sides come up too far
      to enable a good diagonal plane. Maybe Ed's right about hanging too


      I have a few other hammocks that are a more
      traditional "mayan/brazillian" style that I love (I love my HH,
      too). It seems like the mayan ones are much easier to lay diagonal
      in. I *think* it's because the supporting strings allow a more flat
      area to sleep on.

      I've been thinking of rather than pulling up the last two inches
      before making a knot -- of actually cutting the fabric so that I had
      *more* fabric on the ends. I would cut the ends of the hammock so
      that it was a V or a U leaving more fabric on the outside edges than
      in the middle. Then, when I tie the knot in the end, I would *not*
      pull up the last two inches as outlined in Ed's book. This would
      have the net effect of making the outside edges longer than the
      middle so they wouldn't be so tight around my shoulders and body.

      It seems that this would allow the hammock to lay flatter, more like
      a mayan-style hammock with the strings (the outside edges of the
      hammock wouldn't have a tendency to pull up the sides so much). I
      have yet to see a Byer Moskito/traveler in person, but it seems like
      longer fabric on the outside edges would make a similar "flat-
      looking" profile.

      Ed, I'm sure you've played with this. Any others have ideas on this?

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