Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: triptease
- Local or inertial frame of reference (in physics terms). I locate the
guy wires as they are in the greater environment, you might locate
them in relation to the hammock. I always visualize things as
orthogonally oriented even though I know it isn't exactly North South
etc. (Architects call things "plan north". So in the middle of the
night I know where the hammock is but I can't remember how it or the
guy lines are placed until I trip over them (literally). It is part of
a minor learning disability.
I always!! give directions North South, I don't know left from right
in any consistent manner unless I am facing north. I almost flunked my
driving test here and in England because of that. Winding English
streets drove me nuts for two years. I really like the way Brigham
Young planned out the Salt Lake Valley, Cartesian coordinate system,
and the mountains are always to the east for a reference. Jerry and
Kate would have to try real hard to get lost in Salt Lake.
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:17:12 -0500, Shane <shane@...> wrote:
> > Shane when you give or get directions do you do Right- Left or do you
> > do North-South etc. ? Serious question, really. And it might apply
> Both. It depends on the context... I will tend to use north/south when I
> can. What does it mean?
- I have a good friend who cannot tell left from right, and,
apparently, it's not that uncommon.
Also, there are other frames of reference around the world, which may
be of interest to hikers. Here on Oahu, it is highly uncommon to use
compass directions. Almost universally, directions are given in terms
of mauka (toward the mountains, which generally means towards the
center of an island) and makai (toward the ocean). Local towns or
landmarks are used to specify circumferential movement. Thus, one
might need to go "five blocks mauka and one block Diamond Head" to
get to a certain destination. It's basically a polar coordinate
Furthermore, the mountains are so scored by deep valleys with steep
walls and narrow ridgelines that it's usually impossible to follow a
compass bearing. My impression is that most of us who spend a lot of
time in our mountains think spatially in terms of a network of
existing or potential pathways rather than a continuous Cartesian
Nevertheless, I've been known to trip over my guylines.
Brandon in Honolulu
--- In email@example.com, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@g...>
> Local or inertial frame of reference (in physics terms). I locatethe
> guy wires as they are in the greater environment, you might locateSouth
> them in relation to the hammock. I always visualize things as
> orthogonally oriented even though I know it isn't exactly North
> etc. (Architects call things "plan north". So in the middle of theof
> night I know where the hammock is but I can't remember how it or the
> guy lines are placed until I trip over them (literally). It is part
> a minor learning disability.my
> I always!! give directions North South, I don't know left from right
> in any consistent manner unless I am facing north. I almost flunked
> driving test here and in England because of that. Winding Englishdo you
> streets drove me nuts for two years. I really like the way Brigham
> Young planned out the Salt Lake Valley, Cartesian coordinate system,
> and the mountains are always to the east for a reference. Jerry and
> Kate would have to try real hard to get lost in Salt Lake.
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:17:12 -0500, Shane <shane@t...> wrote:
> > > Shane when you give or get directions do you do Right- Left or
> > > do North-South etc. ? Serious question, really. And it mightapply
> >north/south when I
> > Both. It depends on the context... I will tend to use
> > can. What does it mean?
> > Shane
MessageI use 2mm utility cord from Black Diamond. They, naturally, have a store in SLC.Jerry
http://www.BackpackGearTest.org : the most comprehensive interactive gear reviews and tests on the planet.-----Original Message-----That has been my experience with Kelty's triptease cord also. It
From: Dave Womble [mailto:dpwomble@...]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:13 PM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: triptease
lights up like a lazer beam if you illuminate it from a distance but
it doesn't really show up any better than a light colored guy line
from up close. I think it doesn't help the trip-over problem as much
as it helps you find your way back in the dark. It is excellent guy
line in that it is strong, light weight and doesn't stretch much, if
However, it is rather expensive. Recently I have been using the less
expensive 1/16" pulse line that Ed Speers recommends in his book. Ed
sells it and so does my local West Marine. It is less expensive than
the triptease cord, is neon orange or pink and is pretty much
equivalent for guyline purposes the the triptease, except it doesn't
light up when you illuminate it from a distance. I think the
triptease goes for around $15 for a 50 ft package and the 1/16" pulse
line goes for around $22 for a 120 ft spool.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "zippydooda" <zippydooda@y...>
> REI has little pink flamingoes you can put on your tent/guy
> Not kidding.
> Here's the deal. They are kids. They will trip on your guy lines
> matter what. Sorry.
> If you buy the flamingoes, they will step on them.
> If you want to see the reflective effect better, stand farther away
> and hold the flashlight right up on the side of your head, next to
> your eye. The stuff they use is a highly directional reflector, as
> you will see.
> Thanks for camping with kids.
> Bill in Houston
> --- In email@example.com, "neptunebeach"
> <neptunebeach@c...> wrote:
> > I use my HH Asym when camping with various scout groups. The
> guys on
> > the pullouts and fly seem to attract little feet as soon as the
> > down. So I finally broke down and bought a length of Kelty
> Triptease to
> > replace the stock lines with something I expected to "glow-in-the-
> dark" or
> > at least reflect in the dark with a little flashlight light,
> > omnipresent at scout outings. To my amazement, this triptease
> doesn't seem
> > to be any more reflective than any other similarly colored line.
> In fact,
> > comparing a piece of white standard line and the triptease in a
> dark room, I
> > can see the white much better. Did I get defective triptease, or
> do do I
> > have the wrong expectations? What do others do to mark the
> of guy
> > lines?
> > Rick in FL
I don't worry to much about the 188 lb breaking strength. I figure
that is new cord without knots or sharp bends-- like around tent
stakes. It is pretty light weight compared to comparable strength
cord. Guyline stretch is a big issue for me when I use a tarp
suspended above a hammock and I suspect that guyline stretch in
general is proportional to the ratio of the loading on the guyline to
the breaking strength of the guyline but I don't know for sure this
is a big enough factor to be of concern.
One biggy for me is that triptease (or spectra pulse cord) does not
stretch like nylon cord when it gets wet. I have compared the slack
with a roughly 8'x10' tarp I was using for my hammock by rigging it
up one rainy night with braided nylon utility cord and the next rainy
night with the low stretch triptease or spectra pulse line. The
difference in the slack was dramatic. Now, this configuration used a
lot of cord so it emphasised the stretch much more than what a tarp
pitched for ground dwellers would experience. I think I tied it
about 6 feet above the ground with trees spaced about 15'. I used
three guylines on each side with about 7' of guyline to the ground
stakes. I wished I had taken photos.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Shane" <shane@t...> wrote:
> > Why don't you like triptease?
> I actually don't like it for several reasons, which I have noted
> experience. One, it's too strong. With a breaking strength of 188
> kg) it's stronger than any tarp's tear strength. Plain white nylon
> would work just fine, and has worked for me many times. Two, it's
> heavy. Again, inch for inch, white nylon string is lighter and
every bit as
> functional. Three, it's hard to see at night. Sure, it reflects
> flashlight or headlamp, but if you're like me and don't use a light
> you're stalking around in the dark, a plain white cord is a lot
> see. Four, it's too expensive.
- I don't use tie-outs on my HH Exp. in the common mode. I have an old
small bore tent flexpole, five sections (ten feet) and bow it
underneath, tying the canopy to the top (near the ends) and the
hammock ties about eighteen inches down. The obvious advantage is
nothing to trip over and I enjoy the swinging sensation. In the wind
it has a tendacy to 'kite' over so I take a tarp tie vertical to a
stake on the windward side.
Works for me and I know most hammock campers have an old tent or two
in the shed.