- Thanks all ... I have made and tested several versions (this was in the mid to late 80 s), cost me a lot of money, and went no where. I think the design sheetsMessage 1 of 14 , Oct 5, 2010View SourceThanks all ...
I have made and tested several versions (this was in the mid to late
80's), cost me a lot of money, and went no where.
I think the design sheets and the paperwork from the lawyer states 1989.
I advertised in Soldier of Fortune Magazine (I used a pro ad agency for
the copy), but they blew it on the graphics and one could not actually
see the photos in the ad as it was all washed out. I wasn't going to
hand them another 3G for a second try and they wouldn't deal or compromise.
That is when I basically pulled the pin.
I had this prototype (the one in the photos, one of three I made),
tested it while training (the kids loved it, so did the old infantry types).
I used to run small recon type training patrols with it (so I could be
comfy and the cadets could suffer), but a lot of the general infantry
and field types seemed really interested. I just couldn't get enough
capitol up front to make a whole bunch. To strike even in those days, I
would have had to make 500 units and charge about $120 a piece ... just
to get my money back ... if I sold all of them. A non starter.
It was sent to Aberdeen in 1999, and incinerated there in early 2001. I
was so informed ... that It was that ... or give up the rights to one of
the new "established" contractors to make for the Army. I am not sure,
but I heard the "Camelback" guy,or the folks who came up with the idea,
had the same problem. Folks in the line units bought their own. The
vests had capacity for them, but the units themselves had to be
purchased ... /if I understand correctly/.
Apparently the policy quietly changed in 2001, then changed back again
in 2008, so I was thinking about giving another try.
It does have a commercial name, that it was advertised under back in
1990. For this posting, I used the proposed Mil designation.
There are a ton of US Govt specs I could go over, but basically it is
made with off the shelf materials (every item needed has a USG stock
number) and meets US Army safety standards and specifications (it gets
complicated). It is built for speed (A trained soldier can set up in
190 seconds, tear down and pack in 120 seconds), adaptability, and
stealth (IR treated materials, can be deployed on a ridge, cliff, etc).
It was envisioned as a way to retain body heat with minimal weight of
gear. It requires 30% of capacity of the standard medium Alice pack.
It was meant to be used with a poncho liner, no sleeping bag (we never
used them, too heavy and bulky for our type of stuff, especially if we
have to jump in).
It was also to considered a replacement/update to the standard Jungle
hammock. We got issued those in the 1st bat (Army Ranger Bn) and never
used them due to their poor design and construction (along with 60% of
the rest of the stuff the Army required us to be issued but the Ranger
Bn never uses,or allows to be used). We used two ropes with a net and a
I am still not sure what to do here ... but ... Thanks hey ... feel free
to contact me if you have any suggestions and thanks again.
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- There is a similar system made by in Europe that has pyramid shaped end for stowing gear. I m not sure if I can find the url for this and it s not camouflageMessage 2 of 14 , Oct 8, 2010View SourceThere is a similar system made by in Europe that has pyramid shaped end for
I'm not sure if I can find the url for this and it's not camouflage etc.
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From: "Marcel Kuemmet" <kuemmet@...>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Shelter, Individual, Suspended
I worked on this design years ago. I just checking around to see if
there would be any or much interest in a product like this. I own the
design. I got the idea just after my service with the US Army's1st
This is designed for one soldier. As the majority of body heat is lost
to the earthimage
, this ready made “Hooch” will provide a warm place for the soldier to
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- ... was just under 5 Lbs including the dowels and all support straps and Para cord. If I made any more, I would use 200 Denier Cordura. It would be much moreMessage 3 of 14 , Jan 4, 2011View Source--- In email@example.com, Michael Lindroos <lindrom@...>
>was just under 5 Lbs including the dowels and all support straps and
> What do you think the weight would be? How about pack size?
> The lightweight version, seen here, has a 90 denier ripstop upper. It
Para cord. If I made any more, I would use 200 Denier Cordura. It
would be much more durable, but probably bring the weight to about 6
Lbs, which may be too heavy for current Mil Specs. There may be a new-er
high tech fabric now that could do the job with less weight.
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> [Shelter, Susbended, Individual Kuemmet]
> From: Marcel Kuemmet kuemmet@...
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 3:49:18 PM
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] Shelter, Individual, Suspended
> I worked on this design years ago. I just checking around to see if
> there would be any or much interest in a product like this. I own the
> design. I got the idea just after my service with the US Army's1st
> Ranger Bn.
> This is designed for one soldier