Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: rope tie
- If arthritis is a concern I'ld go with a strap: Carabiner on one end so all you have to do is wrap aroune the tree and clip back upon the strap: double accending rings on the other end atached to the hammockrope with a larks head/cow hitch. Think Motorcycle helmet buckle on a larger scale. you can also use the cinch buckle instead if you have enough dexterity to adjust back and forth that's a personal choice. If your worried about slipage a simple slipped half hitch or 2 would definately secure the tag end left over after you've adjusted the double accending ring. This has been discussed in depth on hammockforums.net along with many, many, many more ways to hang. Just do a search or ask they are really freindly and helpful there to help a hanger or even a prospect. Not the rude atmosphere that you find on the sister site WhiteBlaze. JMO!
From: C C Wayah <ccwayah@...>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:34:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: rope tie
Sorry after reading your reply I didn't mean to ask about treehugger
failure.I was asking about the tension device load weights for tying up a
hammock. I have arthritis in my hands that makes it hard to untie my
hammock knots at times.
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- I think I may set the record for the Heaviest Heavy weight hiker @ 450lbs. And I can say it will hold you, have no fear! However all gear does eventually break down over time and the long haulers can testify you will eventually land on your but at some point. Even climber replace there gear do to the same reason. Just because your gear is rated what it is new doesn't mean it will stay that way forever. Your best bet is to inspect your straps, hammock and hardware on a regular basis. If it's not raining I inspect my gear before every hang. Pay special attenttion to stitching and key wear points such as wear each item conects to one another like hammock to rope, rope to rings, rings to straps, strap to biner, all knot points and loadbearing stitches. A good point to mention is that knots do weaken your rope/strap by a percentage some more than others. A simple overhand knot can decrease a rope/straps rating by 50% not all knots are as severe but just to
keep you in the loop so to speak as knowledge is power. That's why most use webing that has sewn loops in the end to attach their biner instead of a knot. They did do testing on this and discussed this on hammock forums.net sometime last year and the stitched loop was the winner for strength as long as it was stitched properly not cutting any of the webbing when it was stitched and the proper stitch used I believe the best stitch pattern for strength was a double box with an x going through both boxes. Hope this helps!
From: lpon2000 <lorister@...>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:36:34 AM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: rope tie
Those rope tensioners have been discussed at hammock forums. I don't
bother with those or the Niteize figure 9's on hammock suspension -
sounds like an invitation to slippage. I've tried Niteize on the tarp
suspension and don't like them; a knot's easier for me.
People retrofit rope hammocks with polypro straps to avoid damaging
trees and getting hammocks banned. I wouldn't put the spectra around a
tree directly, or any other rope; I've already had rangers eyeball the
hammock with suspicion. I can explain the straps won't damage the
tree, especially if I've spent a night in it already and can show
them. No way to excuse rope.
I got some extra long straps for my Hennessy from Strapworks, to fit
around the pines and oaks in California. No failures so far, with them
or the Hennessy stock straps. I think Tom Hennessy would not have
stuck with straps for so long if they did not work; the weight limits
on the hammocks are for the actual material of the hammock, you'll
notice, but the straps stay the same even on the models for heavier folk.
Go ask your question at hammock forums - maybe someone there has had
strap failure that wasn't related to cheap straps or sloppy knot
tying, but I can't find a post about that. There are questions about
hammocks for heavyweights as well, if you are curious about what sort
of forces a hammock can take. The only strap failures I've seen in the
forum were related to cheap Walmart straps or to knot failure. Even
the not-recommended nylon straps only stretch, not break.
--- In hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com, "C C Wayah" <ccwayah@... > wrote:
> Hennesy Hammocks have the tree huggers with rope.
> The question is are they strong enough for the forces of a hammock.
> My husband is not so sure about the weight limits.
> Actual product sight
http://www.samplere wards.com/ index.cfm? fuseaction= product.display& product_id= 2077&ProReview
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- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "C C Wayah" <ccwayah@...> wrote:
> Sorry after reading your reply I didn't mean to ask about treehugger
> failure.I was asking about the tension device load weights for tying
> hammock. I have arthritis in my hands that makes it hard to untie myWhat knot are you using? I have always just used the Hennessy figure 8
> hammock knots at times.
to set up the hammock - three over and under and arounds, and tie a
half hitch. One tug to undo the half hitch, unwrap the rope, and done.
I have been using a climbing biner (four bucks on sale somewhere, max
load of 500# per biner) in the strap loops then wrapping the rope on
the biner. I've been nervous the first few times but never gone butt
to ground. I even use the figure 8 on the tarp - haven't been in a
real storm with it but it's kept it taught so far.
You might be asking the wrong question. Maybe the real question is,
does anyone have suggestions for suspension for dexterity challenged
hands. Moving to straps from ropes might be the trick. Slap straps are
nylon - you can get polypro or polyester straps from speer
(http://www.speerhammocks.com/Products/Supplies.htm) and rewhip your
hammock ends with them. (Or have someone else do the whipping for you,
if you can't get it tight enough.) Nylon, like the slap straps, will
keep stretching; polypro will stretch some and stop, and polyester
tends not to stretch.