Re: [Hammock Camping] The crazy junk you can use
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "m2b1997" <m2b1997@...> wrote:
> When it comes to winter hiking, just how do you guys manage to sleepThat is a big problem for me too. I generally wake up and lay around
> for 15 hours? I know it's a crazy question. It's the one thing that
> bugs me though.
'waiting for daylight' for several hours. When it is seriously cold,
it is too cold for me to mess around trying to do much of anything.
There are a lot of things about winter backpacking like that, you have
to really enjoy it or really want to do it. Water freezes, you freeze
if you aren't careful, your boots/shoes freeze, not much daylight for
hiking, etc. I think you have to mentally approach the long nights as
just another challenge. The colder it gets, the more you have to pay
attention to what you do because of the consequences of mistakes.
- Could it be that the socks inside the vapor barrier were too thick and
the ones outside the vapor barrier were too thin? In other words, how
damp were the socks inside the vapor barrier when you removed them? All
your other inside layers were quite thin and the outside ones varied in
thickness. All sock layers were reasonably loose, right?
Dave Womble wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, "m2b1997" <m2b1997@...> wrote:
>> 1. Why did the feet fail when I was doing the same exact thing to the
>> feet that I did to the rest of the body??? This really has me
> That is perplexing to me. I often just use vapor barriers on my feet
> and they have always helped with me. My guess would be that maybe you
> flexed your feet enough when you removed them to improve circulation?
> But I can't figure why you were warmer when you removed them if
> everything was working as it should.
I agree on the perplexing part. It doesn't seem like their should
have been any difference. I still can't figure out any kind of
logical, or illogical reason for why things went the way they did.
Both layers of socks were the same make. They were a thermal work
sock. Hence why I thought about and went out and bought a pair of
nylon socks yesterday to give them a try as the under VB layer and
see if that would change things around. I'm not sure how wicking
nylon is versus maybe being more VB sided. Anyone care to take a
stab at it, I am curious. I guess I'm too use to hanging around hot
air balloons and always feeling ripstop nylon which is designed
essentially as a VB.
The socks were dry as far as I know when I removed the VB. I didn't
really think to feel but since they had only been on a little over
and hour and my feet had been in a cold environment the whole time
that should have pretty much kept any kind of moisture to a bare
I remember someone talking about the hand situation/comparison.
Normally it seems like I sleep in one of three or four ways.
Occasionally I sleep with my hands laying right next to the body,
especially more so when I'm sleeping indoor/warm temps. If I'm
laying on my side I normally raise both hands up and use them as
a 'pillow' under the ear that facing down. Otherwise I can find
myself with my arms crossed, quite often I have noticed this outside
this past week. I'll have the arms crossed with the hands tucked
inside, hence the ability of the hands to stay warm that way. The
other method I have caught myself doing is to cross the hands and put
them in the center of my chest. This wouldn't help to keep them
warm. It seems like outside I have noticed a split between the hands
crossed and placed on the chest and having the arms crossed and the
hands laying by the opposite ribcage.
How do you guy manage to keep batteries from dying on you almost
instantly when winter hiking? LOL!!! I have had such bad luck
recently, granted with a cell phone, keeping the batteries charged
it's unbelievable. I was working shoveling snow all day today and
the boss called. I had only had the phone turned on for about two
hours since I last recharged it. By the time the two minute
conversation was over the darn thing was already beeping at me
telling me the battery was low. I kept the phone on the rest of the
day, another 4 hours or so. When I got home the battery was showing
fully charged. Then again it had been in my pocket the whole time
other than when I pulleed it out to talk to the boss.
I could see the mp3 player but reading would be difficult as the
tendency to want to stay as much in the sleeping bag as possible to
stay warm would make reading rather unpleasant I would think. I'm
going to have to try that tonight here in the house and see what I
think. That could be an option since I do have a wind up light that
requires no batteries. Anymore I think I would use the wind up light
versus using a Petzel headlamp. It may weigh slightly more but I
don't have to worry about batteries running dead when I need them the