Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: How can I hang my hammock indoors?
- Dave & Bill,
I read your emails. I understand your points about wanting to consider
all the details and ramifications. I do know how important it is to
consider the risks you know about, because there are always a plethora
of risks that you don't know about and cannot control.
My point is that we are over-analyzing and exaggerating the risks
involved in hammocks. This is a problem. We lose credibility if we
choose exaggerated analogies. There's a time and a place for hyperbole,
but we should be clear that it is hyperbole. If we spent as much time
analyzing the risks of other activities, we wouldn't walk, ride bikes,
go up and down steps, shower, or let our kids play on swing sets or
climb trees. We'd definitely not ride cars, fly, or go hiking.
This list is about hanging in hammocks, not rocket science or accident
rates at intersections. I've appreciated some of the detailed and
mathematical discussions of the physics involved in hanging, but I'd
even more greatly appreciate some perspective and acceptance of the fact
that setting up a hammock is an elementary thing that elementary school
kids are capable of doing without getting out their programmable
calculators or slide rules. These same kids ride bikes and climb trees.
In most cases, the indicators of a bad hang are immediate. This is a
good enough teacher for most people--whether or not they have any
understanding of the physics. Hangs that fail over time go into another
category, whether it is wear and tear on the hammock or accumulated
stresses on the supports that eventually pull out hinges and pins and
pull down walls and tress. The physics can be helpful for understanding
the reasons for some of these failures and might prevent other
failures--but there's no such thing as perfect and infallible.
Physics are important, but the ultimate tests and the ultimate teachers
are reality and experience.
Dave Womble wrote:
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Cara Lin Bridgman
> <caralinb@...> wrote:
>> You are still exaggerating the risks of hanging. If they were as
>> serious as driving, we wouldn't be letting our kids play in
>> least, not without licenses, helmets, knee pads, and elbow pads.
> You are missing the point I was trying to make with the comparison. I
> am sorry that I did not make that point clear enough. Here is the
> statement I made:
> A lot of people don't understand the physics involved and aren't
> interested in learning it. No one has guaranteed it won't work, the
> problem is that without knowing a lot of the factors involved it is a
> crap-shoot with some serious risks. Maybe the best answer at this
> point is to propose a similar question that folks can better
> understand the risks involved with so they can draw their own
> parallels to the hammock question. How about this: "Will I be okay if
> I drive my vehicle without stopping and going no more than 30 mph
> through the first traffic light I come to?"
> The parallel was intended to be about making a decision without
> knowing enough of the particular details, not about the relative
> seriousness of a failure between the two or even the relative
> probability of failure between the two. Not everyone understands the
> physics involved with hanging a hammock between two walls and
> appreciate the technical details being discussed. But most everyone
> understands the physics involved with driving through an intersection
> with a traffic light and understand that some details need to be known
> before advising someone to "just do it". The situation you encounter
> when you want to drive through an intersection with a traffic light is
> not always the same, just as the situation you encounter when you want
> to attach a hammock between two walls is not always the same.
> My intention was that understanding that there are important details
> involved in making a decision about driving through an intersection
> with a traffic light might help everyone appreciate why so many
> details were being discussed about hanging a hammock between two
> walls. Apparently my intentions didn't work out.
- Thanks, wish I was there - than
I guess being in the Midwest (Chicago), that is why we have have both flea markets and swap meets. The famous one here is the Maxwell Street Market which has been around for better than 100 years.
Arye P. Rubenstein
----- Original Message ----
From: Blake Robert <xflagstaff9@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:44:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Superstitions hike anyone???????
I tried living in Ft. Lauderdale-- teaching at Broward
Community College and Florida Atlantic
University-- --but, allergies drove me out.
At that time the Nicaraqua Contra war ended-lots of
supplies ended up on the market. I found a person
selling at the Plantation Flea Market--what is called
a swap meet out west---a pirate's wharf on the Gulf
Coast. He charged $5/#10 can. I bought many cases. I
wish I had bought many more.
Starting to run low exc. on scrambled eggs---so,
recently bought a case of freeze dried cottage cheese.
The instructions say to mix with water at at least 72
degrees F. That wasn't available-so, after using a
steripen I tried mixing with Superstitions creek water
and found the curds just floated. You can eat
dry---sort of a sweet/sour taste. Very light for its
--- "Arye P. R." <aprarye@ameritech. net> wrote:
> Can I ask where the dozens of freeze dried #10 cans[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> of food at $5 each came from
> Arye P. Rubenstein