Re: [Hammock Camping] Survival/emergency topics, was Solar Stills
- Survival is common sense and preparation. Take a look at http://www.captaindaves.com/dl-list/dl11-ess.htm for a decent piece of information.
Tying survival to hammocking is all about keeping warm. (And not sleeping with your food. A person with a pocketful of Snickers sleeping in a hammock in bear country is essentially a bear taco. There is a lot of material out there about camping in a bear country - mostly it involves keeping your food away from your campsite. However, opinions vary.)
Unfortunately, a hammock setup is not necessarily lighter than tenting. In summer conditions, in the flatlands, it certainly can be, but in colder weather, probably about the same or heavier.
You need a rainfly, a sleeping bag, an underquilt and/or pad or perhaps both. For each person...perhaps you can double hang, but that needs practice and may not always be ideal. Some hammocks combine all this, but those aren't any lighter than a single person tent or bivy.
My current winter setup involves: a rainfly; a homemade extra large quilt (I am 6'4", 270ish) with two layers of Climashield XP; a homemade Risk Zhammock (basically two layers) with an Army poncho liner sewn into it; an Army surplus sleeping pad (closed cell foam). With light weight long johns, hat, and poly fleece hoodie, this gets me down to mid to upper 20s. The hammock and fly weigh about as much as my two-person single-wall tent.
Ain't got no mo' mojo, but I got plenty o' banjo.
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From: Linda Ellis <lellis4563@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:34:56 AM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Survival/emergency topics, was Solar Stills
> --- "nessmuk15" <jonesda1@.. .wrote:--- "Jamie D." <jdeben@hotmail. com> responded:
> > Haven't we gotten a bit off topic here? Much of this discussion
> > should be on a survival site it seems to me.
> Anyone that ventures into the backcountry, hammocker or not, is aHi, I'm new to this list, and this is my first post! I'm happy to see survival/emergency topics
> potential survivalist. I think it's perfectly relevant.
discussed, because that's pretty much why I bought the hammocks in the first place!
We're probably a bit different from many of you more rugged back-country folks. We're approaching
retirement, and plan on full-timing around the country doing volunteer work for BLM, NPS, and the
Army Corps of Engineers. Having been chained to a desk for most of my life, I'm hoping we'll be
allowed to do outside work, like trail maintenance, trail mapping, and so on. To that end, we've
been hiking local trails, taking orienteering courses, and generally preparing. While it's our
intention to venture out on trails for day hikes for work and pleasure, we realize that a small
mishap can turn any day hike into an emergency. Does anybody remember the 76-year-old woman a few
months ago who was bow-hunting in Idaho with her husband? He broke his wrist; they somehow got
separated. He was found after a day or two; she was out there for eight days.
Or Steve Fossett, who took off for a three-hour pleasure plane ride over Labor Day and hasn't been
seen since? We're also planning to take trips like those glacier-plane- sightseeing trips, where
mostly you don't expect problems, but sometimes, there are...
Sooo, we're planning to take some emergency gear with us on any trip where we'll be out for most
of the day, as well as any trip which we see as having the risk of a mishap that would require us
to be out in the woods overnight, or longer. In our research, hammocks seemed like a much better
use of space and weight for these packs. They're lighter than a tent for two would be; they can
go up faster; we can then "camp" in more unusual places. After all, I'm not expecting that I'd
break a leg conveniently near a great, flat campsite away from animal habitats! More likely, I'm
figuring an emergency might occur in locations that are notably hostile to "normal" camping!
So, thanks for the survival/emergency tips! I'll be keeping copious notes!
For my first question, I'd like to hear more about hammock camping and bears and other predators.
I've read the hammock camping newsletter article with two stories, but this is one area I'd like
to become more familiar with. We haven't yet camped in bear country, and the biggest predators we
have here in the midwest are raccoons that can be scared off with shouts. I'd be interested in
the experiences of others with animals while hammock camping...
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- Yep, a copious amount of clean water used to flush a wound (at
pressure if possible) is really all you need. some studies suggest
it's even potentially more destructive to the injured tissue to use
peroxide or other anit-bacterial cleaning agents.
Huh, good old mother nature provided H2O, how about that.
Another thing I find really interesting is that according to the
rescue peeps I've talked to most rescues occur within a 72 hour
period. That has changed the way I look at my "survival" kit.
Jamie in AZ
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, pure mahem <pure_mahem@...>
>and remove the towlettes now that I know this. The reason I went with
> Thanks for the info I will definately add the women's sanitary pad
clorox as a water treatment is that I remember reading in one of the
outdoor magazines or survival shows that overdosing iodine can be
potentially deadly where as the clorox has a bit more of a higher
fudge factor. another thing I thought of is that since I carry the
alcohol couldn't I dilute a bit of the gel in a bit of water and come
up with an applicalble antiseptic if needed? For the most part I guess
I always figured that I would just use my treated water as a flush if
I needed one.