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Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hennesy and Laying Flat

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  • Scott Schroeder
    Hey Dave, I think this new style of hammock has a lot of potential. It s definitely not like laying on the ground! :) I uploaded a pic in the photo section
    Message 1 of 13 , Jul 6, 2007
      Hey Dave,
      I think this new style of hammock has a lot of potential.
      It's definitely not like laying on the ground! :)
      I uploaded a pic in the photo section under Scott's stuff.
      This link may work though *http://tinyurl.com/285qyx*
      As you can see the fabric is supporting the entire contour of my body.
      The way this type of hammock is designed has allowed me to implement some
      things I found hard on the other hammocks.
      I was inspired by something you wrote and it led to an adjustable insulation
      system.
      I wrote about here *http://tinyurl.com/2a78mp*
      You'll note I linked to your message.
      I'd like to hear your thoughts on possible fabric and insulation
      choices/combinations that might make this work like a layering system we use
      for our clothing.
      Scott


      On 7/6/07, Dave Womble <dpwomble@...> wrote:
      >
      > This looks pretty flat and could easily be made into a hammock or
      > considered a hammock as it is:
      >
      > http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&top=12660&productid=79349&trail=0&discontinued=0
      > .
      >
      > I'm not sure you want total flatness, shelter floors are truely flat
      > and are very uncomfortable. What most people want are a straight
      > spline and that is the claim of that suspended hammock from the site
      > you are referring to. But even with a flat surface you need some
      > cushioning to get a relatively straight spine without uncomfortable
      > pressure points and there is more than one way to do that. On a
      > shelter floor it takes about a 3 inch air mattress of some type for me
      > to be comfortable. On a hammock that you can get relatively flat in,
      > you still need the hammock fabric to stretch and conform to the shape
      > of your body so that you don't have uncomfortable pressure points and
      > can get your spline relatively straight... otherwise you are back to
      > the hard, flat shelter floor syndrome.
      >
      > Dave Womble
      > aka Youngblood
      > Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
      >
      > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > "sebastiantoney" <funbun2@...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt type of
      > > hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
      > > hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6 feet
      > > tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as comfortable as
      > > anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to increase
      > > the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you can lay
      > > 90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In comes the:
      > > Bridge Hammock
      > >
      > <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
      > >
      > ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
      > >
      > l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
      > >
      > 20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
      > >
      > 20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
      > >
      > 0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
      > >
      > 20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
      > >
      > 20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
      > >
      > 20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
      > >
      > completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
      > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
      > >
      > > Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
      > > Hammock forums
      > >
      > <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
      > >
      > ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
      > >
      > l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
      > >
      > 20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
      > >
      > 20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
      > >
      > 0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
      > >
      > 20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
      > >
      > 20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
      > >
      > 20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
      > >
      > completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
      > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
      > >
      > > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
      > > > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions for you
      > > > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
      > > >
      > > > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
      > > > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or homemade)
      > > > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
      > > > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
      > > > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
      > > > bug net is required.
      > > > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
      > > > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and didn't like
      > > > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were under to
      > > > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >
      >
      >
      >


      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    • Dave Womble
      Scott, That is a lot of reading material, it will take a while for me to get through all that. Dave Womble aka Youngblood Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit
      Message 2 of 13 , Jul 6, 2007
        Scott,

        That is a lot of reading material, it will take a while for me to get
        through all that.

        Dave Womble
        aka Youngblood
        Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
      • sebastiantoney
        I think Scott is right. I ve been away from home for the Holiday. But Iplan to start back working on my Bridge Hammock today. ... some ... insulation ...
        Message 3 of 13 , Jul 7, 2007
          I think Scott is right. I've been away from home for the Holiday. But
          Iplan to start back working on my Bridge Hammock today.

          --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Schroeder"
          <schrochem@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hey Dave,
          > I think this new style of hammock has a lot of potential.
          > It's definitely not like laying on the ground! :)
          > I uploaded a pic in the photo section under Scott's stuff.
          > This link may work though *http://tinyurl.com/285qyx*
          > As you can see the fabric is supporting the entire contour of my body.
          > The way this type of hammock is designed has allowed me to implement
          some
          > things I found hard on the other hammocks.
          > I was inspired by something you wrote and it led to an adjustable
          insulation
          > system.
          > I wrote about here *http://tinyurl.com/2a78mp*
          > You'll note I linked to your message.
          > I'd like to hear your thoughts on possible fabric and insulation
          > choices/combinations that might make this work like a layering
          system we use
          > for our clothing.
          > Scott
          >
          >
          > On 7/6/07, Dave Womble <dpwomble@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > This looks pretty flat and could easily be made into a hammock or
          > > considered a hammock as it is:
          > >
          > >
          http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&top=12660&productid=79349&trail=0&discontinued=0
          > > .
          > >
          > > I'm not sure you want total flatness, shelter floors are truely flat
          > > and are very uncomfortable. What most people want are a straight
          > > spline and that is the claim of that suspended hammock from the site
          > > you are referring to. But even with a flat surface you need some
          > > cushioning to get a relatively straight spine without uncomfortable
          > > pressure points and there is more than one way to do that. On a
          > > shelter floor it takes about a 3 inch air mattress of some type for me
          > > to be comfortable. On a hammock that you can get relatively flat in,
          > > you still need the hammock fabric to stretch and conform to the shape
          > > of your body so that you don't have uncomfortable pressure points and
          > > can get your spline relatively straight... otherwise you are back to
          > > the hard, flat shelter floor syndrome.
          > >
          > > Dave Womble
          > > aka Youngblood
          > > Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
          > >
          > > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
          <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
          > > "sebastiantoney" <funbun2@>
          > > wrote:
          > > >
          > > > If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt
          type of
          > > > hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
          > > > hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6
          feet
          > > > tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as
          comfortable as
          > > > anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to
          increase
          > > > the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you
          can lay
          > > > 90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In
          comes the:
          > > > Bridge Hammock
          > > >
          > >
          <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
          > > >
          > >
          ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
          > > >
          > >
          l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
          > > >
          > >
          20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
          > > >
          > >
          20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
          > > >
          > >
          0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
          > > >
          > >
          20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
          > > >
          > >
          20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
          > > >
          > >
          20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
          > > >
          > >
          completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
          > > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
          > > >
          > > > Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
          > > > Hammock forums
          > > >
          > >
          <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
          > > >
          > >
          ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
          > > >
          > >
          l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
          > > >
          > >
          20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
          > > >
          > >
          20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
          > > >
          > >
          0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
          > > >
          > >
          20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
          > > >
          > >
          20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
          > > >
          > >
          20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
          > > >
          > >
          completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
          > > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
          > > >
          > > > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
          <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
          > > "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@>
          > > > wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
          > > > > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions
          for you
          > > > > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
          > > > >
          > > > > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
          > > > > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or
          homemade)
          > > > > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
          > > > > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the
          bug net
          > > > > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights
          when no
          > > > > bug net is required.
          > > > > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
          > > > > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and
          didn't like
          > > > > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were
          under to
          > > > > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
          > > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          > > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
        • Scott Schroeder
          Dave, I think you will like the design possibilities with this hammock. It seems there is a lot of room for innovation. Scott ... [Non-text portions of this
          Message 4 of 13 , Jul 7, 2007
            Dave, I think you will like the design possibilities with this hammock. It
            seems there is a lot of room for innovation.

            Scott


            On 7/6/07, Dave Womble <dpwomble@...> wrote:
            >
            > Scott,
            >
            > That is a lot of reading material, it will take a while for me to get
            > through all that.
            >
            > Dave Womble
            > aka Youngblood
            > Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
            >
            >
            >


            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          • docteric
            I made up a quick bridge hammock prototype last week and it works really well. It s not quite as stable as my Speer but it is more comfortable for me.
            Message 5 of 13 , Jul 10, 2007
              I made up a quick "bridge hammock" prototype last week and it works
              really well. It's not quite as stable as my Speer but it is more
              comfortable for me. While I haven't done it yet, I'll be making a more
              usable one out of nylon and puting a bug net on it similar to the
              Mosquito Traveler. I'm anticipating using hiking poles as the braces
              so I won't have to lug another item.

              I've actually been a bit bored with hammocks this year as I pretty much
              settled on a set up I liked and there wasn't much of a reason to try
              new stuff. Now there is. I get to spend lots of time and money
              again. Whahoo!
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