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  • Richard Perlman
    ... WHOOPS! Make that 180º degrees. :-[ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    Message 1 of 13 , Jul 5, 2007
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      Richard Perlman wrote:
      >> 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
      >> underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
      >> bug net is required.
      >> ###... it can, but it seems that hammockers that use both the hh as well as the top entry types say it's just not as comfy in the chair mode as the top entry type.
      >>
      >
      > With a Hennessey, you can't flip it 90º and sleep on the "bottom" as
      > with some other. There's a permanent ridge line
      > that prevents it from working.
      >
      >
      WHOOPS!

      Make that 180º degrees. :-[


      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    • sebastiantoney
      If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt type of hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style hammocks; they re shaped
      Message 2 of 13 , Jul 5, 2007
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        If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt type of
        hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
        hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6 feet
        tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as comfortable as
        anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to increase
        the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you can lay
        90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In comes the:
        Bridge Hammock
        <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
        ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
        l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
        20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
        20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
        0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
        20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
        20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
        20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
        completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
        alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .

        Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
        Hammock forums
        <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
        ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
        l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
        20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
        20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
        0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
        20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
        20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
        20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
        completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
        alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .

        --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
        > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions for you
        > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
        >
        > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
        > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or homemade)
        > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
        > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
        > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
        > bug net is required.
        > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
        > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and didn't like
        > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were under to
        > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
        >



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      • Randal Swink
        Wow, I cannot even figure out where these links belong. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        Message 3 of 13 , Jul 5, 2007
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          Wow, I cannot even figure out where these links belong.


          On 7/5/07, sebastiantoney <funbun2@...> wrote:
          >
          > If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt type of
          > hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
          > hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6 feet
          > tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as comfortable as
          > anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to increase
          > the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you can lay
          > 90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In comes the:
          > Bridge Hammock
          > <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
          > ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
          > l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
          > 20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
          > 20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
          > 0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
          > 20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
          > 20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
          > 20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
          > completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
          > alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
          >
          > Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
          > Hammock forums
          > <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
          > ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
          > l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
          > 20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
          > 20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
          > 0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
          > 20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
          > 20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
          > 20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
          > completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
          > alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
          >
          > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@...>
          > wrote:
          > >
          > > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
          > > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions for you
          > > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
          > >
          > > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
          > > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or homemade)
          > > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
          > > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
          > > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
          > > bug net is required.
          > > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
          > > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and didn't like
          > > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were under to
          > > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >


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        • Stuhr, Tim
          Even if you convert the HH ridgeline to a removable ridgeline it s not best to just lay in without the ridgeline fastened. I have converted my ridgeline to be
          Message 4 of 13 , Jul 5, 2007
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            Even if you convert the HH ridgeline to a removable ridgeline it's not best to just lay in without the ridgeline fastened. I have converted my ridgeline to be removable and here's my observations.

            1. The length of the netting is less that the length of the hammock. By laying on the netting or turning the hammock upside down and laying on it you could possibly stretch or tear the netting.

            2. The width of the netting is not as wide as the width of the hammock bed. This would reduce the usable width of the hammock and not allow you to get as diagonal or flat.

            Stoikurt

            -----Original Message-----
            From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Perlman
            Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:57 AM
            To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hennesy and Laying Flat


            Richard Perlman wrote:
            >> 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
            >> underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
            >> bug net is required.
            >> ###... it can, but it seems that hammockers that use both the hh as well as the top entry types say it's just not as comfy in the chair mode as the top entry type.
            >>
            >
            > With a Hennessey, you can't flip it 90º and sleep on the "bottom" as
            > with some other. There's a permanent ridge line
            > that prevents it from working.
            >
            >
            WHOOPS!

            Make that 180º degrees. :-[


            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




            Yahoo! Groups Links
          • Dave Womble
            This looks pretty flat and could easily be made into a hammock or considered a hammock as it is:
            Message 5 of 13 , Jul 6, 2007
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              This looks pretty flat and could easily be made into a hammock or
              considered a hammock as it is:
              http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&top=12660&productid=79349&trail=0&discontinued=0
              .

              I'm not sure you want total flatness, shelter floors are truely flat
              and are very uncomfortable. What most people want are a straight
              spline and that is the claim of that suspended hammock from the site
              you are referring to. But even with a flat surface you need some
              cushioning to get a relatively straight spine without uncomfortable
              pressure points and there is more than one way to do that. On a
              shelter floor it takes about a 3 inch air mattress of some type for me
              to be comfortable. On a hammock that you can get relatively flat in,
              you still need the hammock fabric to stretch and conform to the shape
              of your body so that you don't have uncomfortable pressure points and
              can get your spline relatively straight... otherwise you are back to
              the hard, flat shelter floor syndrome.

              Dave Womble
              aka Youngblood
              Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt


              --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "sebastiantoney" <funbun2@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt type of
              > hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
              > hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6 feet
              > tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as comfortable as
              > anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to increase
              > the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you can lay
              > 90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In comes the:
              > Bridge Hammock
              >
              <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
              >
              ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
              >
              l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
              >
              20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
              >
              20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
              >
              0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
              >
              20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
              >
              20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
              >
              20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
              >
              completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
              > alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
              >
              > Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
              > Hammock forums
              >
              <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
              >
              ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
              >
              l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
              >
              20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
              >
              20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
              >
              0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
              >
              20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
              >
              20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
              >
              20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
              >
              completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
              > alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
              >
              > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
              > > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions for you
              > > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
              > >
              > > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
              > > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or homemade)
              > > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
              > > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
              > > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
              > > bug net is required.
              > > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
              > > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and didn't like
              > > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were under to
              > > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
            • Scott Schroeder
              Hey Dave, I think this new style of hammock has a lot of potential. It s definitely not like laying on the ground! :) I uploaded a pic in the photo section
              Message 6 of 13 , Jul 6, 2007
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                Hey Dave,
                I think this new style of hammock has a lot of potential.
                It's definitely not like laying on the ground! :)
                I uploaded a pic in the photo section under Scott's stuff.
                This link may work though *http://tinyurl.com/285qyx*
                As you can see the fabric is supporting the entire contour of my body.
                The way this type of hammock is designed has allowed me to implement some
                things I found hard on the other hammocks.
                I was inspired by something you wrote and it led to an adjustable insulation
                system.
                I wrote about here *http://tinyurl.com/2a78mp*
                You'll note I linked to your message.
                I'd like to hear your thoughts on possible fabric and insulation
                choices/combinations that might make this work like a layering system we use
                for our clothing.
                Scott


                On 7/6/07, Dave Womble <dpwomble@...> wrote:
                >
                > This looks pretty flat and could easily be made into a hammock or
                > considered a hammock as it is:
                >
                > http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&top=12660&productid=79349&trail=0&discontinued=0
                > .
                >
                > I'm not sure you want total flatness, shelter floors are truely flat
                > and are very uncomfortable. What most people want are a straight
                > spline and that is the claim of that suspended hammock from the site
                > you are referring to. But even with a flat surface you need some
                > cushioning to get a relatively straight spine without uncomfortable
                > pressure points and there is more than one way to do that. On a
                > shelter floor it takes about a 3 inch air mattress of some type for me
                > to be comfortable. On a hammock that you can get relatively flat in,
                > you still need the hammock fabric to stretch and conform to the shape
                > of your body so that you don't have uncomfortable pressure points and
                > can get your spline relatively straight... otherwise you are back to
                > the hard, flat shelter floor syndrome.
                >
                > Dave Womble
                > aka Youngblood
                > Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
                >
                > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
                > "sebastiantoney" <funbun2@...>
                > wrote:
                > >
                > > If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt type of
                > > hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
                > > hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6 feet
                > > tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as comfortable as
                > > anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to increase
                > > the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you can lay
                > > 90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In comes the:
                > > Bridge Hammock
                > >
                > <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
                > >
                > ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
                > >
                > l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
                > >
                > 20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
                > >
                > 20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
                > >
                > 0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
                > >
                > 20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
                > >
                > 20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
                > >
                > 20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
                > >
                > completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
                > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
                > >
                > > Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
                > > Hammock forums
                > >
                > <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
                > >
                > ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
                > >
                > l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
                > >
                > 20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
                > >
                > 20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
                > >
                > 0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
                > >
                > 20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
                > >
                > 20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
                > >
                > 20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
                > >
                > completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
                > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
                > >
                > > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
                > "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@>
                > > wrote:
                > > >
                > > > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
                > > > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions for you
                > > > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
                > > >
                > > > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
                > > > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or homemade)
                > > > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
                > > > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
                > > > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
                > > > bug net is required.
                > > > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
                > > > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and didn't like
                > > > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were under to
                > > > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
                >
                >
                >


                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              • Dave Womble
                Scott, That is a lot of reading material, it will take a while for me to get through all that. Dave Womble aka Youngblood Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit
                Message 7 of 13 , Jul 6, 2007
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                  Scott,

                  That is a lot of reading material, it will take a while for me to get
                  through all that.

                  Dave Womble
                  aka Youngblood
                  Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
                • sebastiantoney
                  I think Scott is right. I ve been away from home for the Holiday. But Iplan to start back working on my Bridge Hammock today. ... some ... insulation ...
                  Message 8 of 13 , Jul 7, 2007
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                    I think Scott is right. I've been away from home for the Holiday. But
                    Iplan to start back working on my Bridge Hammock today.

                    --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Schroeder"
                    <schrochem@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hey Dave,
                    > I think this new style of hammock has a lot of potential.
                    > It's definitely not like laying on the ground! :)
                    > I uploaded a pic in the photo section under Scott's stuff.
                    > This link may work though *http://tinyurl.com/285qyx*
                    > As you can see the fabric is supporting the entire contour of my body.
                    > The way this type of hammock is designed has allowed me to implement
                    some
                    > things I found hard on the other hammocks.
                    > I was inspired by something you wrote and it led to an adjustable
                    insulation
                    > system.
                    > I wrote about here *http://tinyurl.com/2a78mp*
                    > You'll note I linked to your message.
                    > I'd like to hear your thoughts on possible fabric and insulation
                    > choices/combinations that might make this work like a layering
                    system we use
                    > for our clothing.
                    > Scott
                    >
                    >
                    > On 7/6/07, Dave Womble <dpwomble@...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > This looks pretty flat and could easily be made into a hammock or
                    > > considered a hammock as it is:
                    > >
                    > >
                    http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&top=12660&productid=79349&trail=0&discontinued=0
                    > > .
                    > >
                    > > I'm not sure you want total flatness, shelter floors are truely flat
                    > > and are very uncomfortable. What most people want are a straight
                    > > spline and that is the claim of that suspended hammock from the site
                    > > you are referring to. But even with a flat surface you need some
                    > > cushioning to get a relatively straight spine without uncomfortable
                    > > pressure points and there is more than one way to do that. On a
                    > > shelter floor it takes about a 3 inch air mattress of some type for me
                    > > to be comfortable. On a hammock that you can get relatively flat in,
                    > > you still need the hammock fabric to stretch and conform to the shape
                    > > of your body so that you don't have uncomfortable pressure points and
                    > > can get your spline relatively straight... otherwise you are back to
                    > > the hard, flat shelter floor syndrome.
                    > >
                    > > Dave Womble
                    > > aka Youngblood
                    > > Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
                    > >
                    > > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
                    <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
                    > > "sebastiantoney" <funbun2@>
                    > > wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt
                    type of
                    > > > hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
                    > > > hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6
                    feet
                    > > > tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as
                    comfortable as
                    > > > anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to
                    increase
                    > > > the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you
                    can lay
                    > > > 90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In
                    comes the:
                    > > > Bridge Hammock
                    > > >
                    > >
                    <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
                    > > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
                    > > >
                    > > > Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
                    > > > Hammock forums
                    > > >
                    > >
                    <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
                    > > >
                    > >
                    completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
                    > > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
                    <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
                    > > "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@>
                    > > > wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
                    > > > > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions
                    for you
                    > > > > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
                    > > > > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or
                    homemade)
                    > > > > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
                    > > > > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the
                    bug net
                    > > > > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights
                    when no
                    > > > > bug net is required.
                    > > > > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
                    > > > > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and
                    didn't like
                    > > > > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were
                    under to
                    > > > > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >
                  • Scott Schroeder
                    Dave, I think you will like the design possibilities with this hammock. It seems there is a lot of room for innovation. Scott ... [Non-text portions of this
                    Message 9 of 13 , Jul 7, 2007
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                      Dave, I think you will like the design possibilities with this hammock. It
                      seems there is a lot of room for innovation.

                      Scott


                      On 7/6/07, Dave Womble <dpwomble@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Scott,
                      >
                      > That is a lot of reading material, it will take a while for me to get
                      > through all that.
                      >
                      > Dave Womble
                      > aka Youngblood
                      > Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
                      >
                      >
                      >


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                    • docteric
                      I made up a quick bridge hammock prototype last week and it works really well. It s not quite as stable as my Speer but it is more comfortable for me.
                      Message 10 of 13 , Jul 10, 2007
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                        I made up a quick "bridge hammock" prototype last week and it works
                        really well. It's not quite as stable as my Speer but it is more
                        comfortable for me. While I haven't done it yet, I'll be making a more
                        usable one out of nylon and puting a bug net on it similar to the
                        Mosquito Traveler. I'm anticipating using hiking poles as the braces
                        so I won't have to lug another item.

                        I've actually been a bit bored with hammocks this year as I pretty much
                        settled on a set up I liked and there wasn't much of a reason to try
                        new stuff. Now there is. I get to spend lots of time and money
                        again. Whahoo!
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