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  • Richard Perlman
    ... With a Hennessey, you can t flip it 90º and sleep on the bottom as with some other. There s a permanent ridge line that prevents it from working.
    Message 1 of 13 , Jul 5 8:38 AM
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      > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
      > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
      > bug net is required.
      > ###... it can, but it seems that hammockers that use both the hh as well as the top entry types say it's just not as comfy in the chair mode as the top entry type.

      With a Hennessey, you can't flip it 90º and sleep on the "bottom" as
      with some other. There's a permanent ridge line
      that prevents it from working.

      "Chair mode" is when you tuck one side into the other and sit or lounge
      in half the hammock.
      http://www.hennessyhammock.com/use-as-a-chair.html

      I have 2 different Hennesseys, but prefer a Speer for no bug weather.

      Rich
    • Richard Perlman
      ... WHOOPS! Make that 180º degrees. :-[ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      Message 2 of 13 , Jul 5 8:57 AM
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        Richard Perlman wrote:
        >> 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
        >> underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
        >> bug net is required.
        >> ###... it can, but it seems that hammockers that use both the hh as well as the top entry types say it's just not as comfy in the chair mode as the top entry type.
        >>
        >
        > With a Hennessey, you can't flip it 90º and sleep on the "bottom" as
        > with some other. There's a permanent ridge line
        > that prevents it from working.
        >
        >
        WHOOPS!

        Make that 180º degrees. :-[


        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • sebastiantoney
        If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt type of hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style hammocks; they re shaped
        Message 3 of 13 , Jul 5 9:02 AM
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          If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt type of
          hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
          hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6 feet
          tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as comfortable as
          anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to increase
          the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you can lay
          90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In comes the:
          Bridge Hammock
          <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
          ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
          l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
          20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
          20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
          0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
          20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
          20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
          20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
          completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
          alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .

          Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
          Hammock forums
          <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
          ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
          l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
          20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
          20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
          0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
          20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
          20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
          20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
          completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
          alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .

          --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@...>
          wrote:
          >
          > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
          > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions for you
          > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
          >
          > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
          > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or homemade)
          > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
          > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
          > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
          > bug net is required.
          > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
          > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and didn't like
          > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were under to
          > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
          >



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        • Randal Swink
          Wow, I cannot even figure out where these links belong. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          Message 4 of 13 , Jul 5 1:14 PM
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            Wow, I cannot even figure out where these links belong.


            On 7/5/07, sebastiantoney <funbun2@...> wrote:
            >
            > If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt type of
            > hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
            > hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6 feet
            > tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as comfortable as
            > anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to increase
            > the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you can lay
            > 90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In comes the:
            > Bridge Hammock
            > <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
            > ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
            > l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
            > 20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
            > 20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
            > 0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
            > 20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
            > 20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
            > 20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
            > completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
            > alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
            >
            > Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
            > Hammock forums
            > <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
            > ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
            > l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
            > 20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
            > 20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
            > 0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
            > 20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
            > 20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
            > 20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
            > completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
            > alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
            >
            > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@...>
            > wrote:
            > >
            > > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
            > > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions for you
            > > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
            > >
            > > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
            > > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or homemade)
            > > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
            > > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
            > > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
            > > bug net is required.
            > > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
            > > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and didn't like
            > > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were under to
            > > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >


            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          • Stuhr, Tim
            Even if you convert the HH ridgeline to a removable ridgeline it s not best to just lay in without the ridgeline fastened. I have converted my ridgeline to be
            Message 5 of 13 , Jul 5 2:20 PM
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              Even if you convert the HH ridgeline to a removable ridgeline it's not best to just lay in without the ridgeline fastened. I have converted my ridgeline to be removable and here's my observations.

              1. The length of the netting is less that the length of the hammock. By laying on the netting or turning the hammock upside down and laying on it you could possibly stretch or tear the netting.

              2. The width of the netting is not as wide as the width of the hammock bed. This would reduce the usable width of the hammock and not allow you to get as diagonal or flat.

              Stoikurt

              -----Original Message-----
              From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Perlman
              Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:57 AM
              To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hennesy and Laying Flat


              Richard Perlman wrote:
              >> 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
              >> underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
              >> bug net is required.
              >> ###... it can, but it seems that hammockers that use both the hh as well as the top entry types say it's just not as comfy in the chair mode as the top entry type.
              >>
              >
              > With a Hennessey, you can't flip it 90º and sleep on the "bottom" as
              > with some other. There's a permanent ridge line
              > that prevents it from working.
              >
              >
              WHOOPS!

              Make that 180º degrees. :-[


              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




              Yahoo! Groups Links
            • Dave Womble
              This looks pretty flat and could easily be made into a hammock or considered a hammock as it is:
              Message 6 of 13 , Jul 6 4:35 AM
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                This looks pretty flat and could easily be made into a hammock or
                considered a hammock as it is:
                http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&top=12660&productid=79349&trail=0&discontinued=0
                .

                I'm not sure you want total flatness, shelter floors are truely flat
                and are very uncomfortable. What most people want are a straight
                spline and that is the claim of that suspended hammock from the site
                you are referring to. But even with a flat surface you need some
                cushioning to get a relatively straight spine without uncomfortable
                pressure points and there is more than one way to do that. On a
                shelter floor it takes about a 3 inch air mattress of some type for me
                to be comfortable. On a hammock that you can get relatively flat in,
                you still need the hammock fabric to stretch and conform to the shape
                of your body so that you don't have uncomfortable pressure points and
                can get your spline relatively straight... otherwise you are back to
                the hard, flat shelter floor syndrome.

                Dave Womble
                aka Youngblood
                Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt


                --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "sebastiantoney" <funbun2@...>
                wrote:
                >
                > If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt type of
                > hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
                > hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6 feet
                > tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as comfortable as
                > anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to increase
                > the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you can lay
                > 90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In comes the:
                > Bridge Hammock
                >
                <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
                >
                ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
                >
                l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
                >
                20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
                >
                20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
                >
                0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
                >
                20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
                >
                20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
                >
                20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
                >
                completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
                > alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
                >
                > Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
                > Hammock forums
                >
                <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
                >
                ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
                >
                l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
                >
                20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
                >
                20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
                >
                0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
                >
                20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
                >
                20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
                >
                20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
                >
                completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
                > alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
                >
                > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@>
                > wrote:
                > >
                > > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
                > > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions for you
                > > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
                > >
                > > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
                > > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or homemade)
                > > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
                > > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
                > > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
                > > bug net is required.
                > > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
                > > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and didn't like
                > > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were under to
                > > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
              • Scott Schroeder
                Hey Dave, I think this new style of hammock has a lot of potential. It s definitely not like laying on the ground! :) I uploaded a pic in the photo section
                Message 7 of 13 , Jul 6 5:07 AM
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                  Hey Dave,
                  I think this new style of hammock has a lot of potential.
                  It's definitely not like laying on the ground! :)
                  I uploaded a pic in the photo section under Scott's stuff.
                  This link may work though *http://tinyurl.com/285qyx*
                  As you can see the fabric is supporting the entire contour of my body.
                  The way this type of hammock is designed has allowed me to implement some
                  things I found hard on the other hammocks.
                  I was inspired by something you wrote and it led to an adjustable insulation
                  system.
                  I wrote about here *http://tinyurl.com/2a78mp*
                  You'll note I linked to your message.
                  I'd like to hear your thoughts on possible fabric and insulation
                  choices/combinations that might make this work like a layering system we use
                  for our clothing.
                  Scott


                  On 7/6/07, Dave Womble <dpwomble@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > This looks pretty flat and could easily be made into a hammock or
                  > considered a hammock as it is:
                  >
                  > http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&top=12660&productid=79349&trail=0&discontinued=0
                  > .
                  >
                  > I'm not sure you want total flatness, shelter floors are truely flat
                  > and are very uncomfortable. What most people want are a straight
                  > spline and that is the claim of that suspended hammock from the site
                  > you are referring to. But even with a flat surface you need some
                  > cushioning to get a relatively straight spine without uncomfortable
                  > pressure points and there is more than one way to do that. On a
                  > shelter floor it takes about a 3 inch air mattress of some type for me
                  > to be comfortable. On a hammock that you can get relatively flat in,
                  > you still need the hammock fabric to stretch and conform to the shape
                  > of your body so that you don't have uncomfortable pressure points and
                  > can get your spline relatively straight... otherwise you are back to
                  > the hard, flat shelter floor syndrome.
                  >
                  > Dave Womble
                  > aka Youngblood
                  > Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
                  >
                  > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
                  > "sebastiantoney" <funbun2@...>
                  > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt type of
                  > > hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
                  > > hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6 feet
                  > > tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as comfortable as
                  > > anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to increase
                  > > the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you can lay
                  > > 90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In comes the:
                  > > Bridge Hammock
                  > >
                  > <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
                  > >
                  > ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
                  > >
                  > l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
                  > >
                  > 20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
                  > >
                  > 20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
                  > >
                  > 0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
                  > >
                  > 20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
                  > >
                  > 20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
                  > >
                  > 20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
                  > >
                  > completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
                  > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
                  > >
                  > > Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
                  > > Hammock forums
                  > >
                  > <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
                  > >
                  > ery%20differnt%20type%20of%20hammock.%20HH,%20Clark,%20Speer,%20are%20al\
                  > >
                  > l%20basically%20Mayan%20Indian%20style%20hammocks;%20they%27re%20shaped%\
                  > >
                  > 20like%20bananas.%20But%20if%20you%27re%20much%20over%206%20feet%20tall%\
                  > >
                  > 20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
                  > >
                  > 0as%20comfortable%20as%20anyone%20under%206%20feet%20tall.%20The%20only%\
                  > >
                  > 20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
                  > >
                  > 20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
                  > >
                  > 20can%20lay%2090%20degrees%20to%20the%20ridgeline%20you%20could%20lay%20\
                  > >
                  > completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
                  > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
                  > >
                  > > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
                  > "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@>
                  > > wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
                  > > > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions for you
                  > > > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
                  > > >
                  > > > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
                  > > > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or homemade)
                  > > > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
                  > > > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the bug net
                  > > > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights when no
                  > > > bug net is required.
                  > > > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
                  > > > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and didn't like
                  > > > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were under to
                  > > > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  > >
                  >
                  >
                  >


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                • Dave Womble
                  Scott, That is a lot of reading material, it will take a while for me to get through all that. Dave Womble aka Youngblood Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit
                  Message 8 of 13 , Jul 6 7:35 PM
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                    Scott,

                    That is a lot of reading material, it will take a while for me to get
                    through all that.

                    Dave Womble
                    aka Youngblood
                    Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
                  • sebastiantoney
                    I think Scott is right. I ve been away from home for the Holiday. But Iplan to start back working on my Bridge Hammock today. ... some ... insulation ...
                    Message 9 of 13 , Jul 7 7:03 AM
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                      I think Scott is right. I've been away from home for the Holiday. But
                      Iplan to start back working on my Bridge Hammock today.

                      --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Schroeder"
                      <schrochem@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hey Dave,
                      > I think this new style of hammock has a lot of potential.
                      > It's definitely not like laying on the ground! :)
                      > I uploaded a pic in the photo section under Scott's stuff.
                      > This link may work though *http://tinyurl.com/285qyx*
                      > As you can see the fabric is supporting the entire contour of my body.
                      > The way this type of hammock is designed has allowed me to implement
                      some
                      > things I found hard on the other hammocks.
                      > I was inspired by something you wrote and it led to an adjustable
                      insulation
                      > system.
                      > I wrote about here *http://tinyurl.com/2a78mp*
                      > You'll note I linked to your message.
                      > I'd like to hear your thoughts on possible fabric and insulation
                      > choices/combinations that might make this work like a layering
                      system we use
                      > for our clothing.
                      > Scott
                      >
                      >
                      > On 7/6/07, Dave Womble <dpwomble@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > This looks pretty flat and could easily be made into a hammock or
                      > > considered a hammock as it is:
                      > >
                      > >
                      http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&top=12660&productid=79349&trail=0&discontinued=0
                      > > .
                      > >
                      > > I'm not sure you want total flatness, shelter floors are truely flat
                      > > and are very uncomfortable. What most people want are a straight
                      > > spline and that is the claim of that suspended hammock from the site
                      > > you are referring to. But even with a flat surface you need some
                      > > cushioning to get a relatively straight spine without uncomfortable
                      > > pressure points and there is more than one way to do that. On a
                      > > shelter floor it takes about a 3 inch air mattress of some type for me
                      > > to be comfortable. On a hammock that you can get relatively flat in,
                      > > you still need the hammock fabric to stretch and conform to the shape
                      > > of your body so that you don't have uncomfortable pressure points and
                      > > can get your spline relatively straight... otherwise you are back to
                      > > the hard, flat shelter floor syndrome.
                      > >
                      > > Dave Womble
                      > > aka Youngblood
                      > > Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
                      > >
                      > > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
                      <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
                      > > "sebastiantoney" <funbun2@>
                      > > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > If you want a hammock that lays flat you need a very differnt
                      type of
                      > > > hammock. HH, Clark, Speer, are all basically Mayan Indian style
                      > > > hammocks; they're shaped like bananas. But if you're much over 6
                      feet
                      > > > tall you'll never really lay flat and you'll never be as
                      comfortable as
                      > > > anyone under 6 feet tall. The only way to truly lay flat is to
                      increase
                      > > > the width of the hammock. If you increase the width to where you
                      can lay
                      > > > 90 degrees to the ridgeline you could lay completely flat. In
                      comes the:
                      > > > Bridge Hammock
                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
                      completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
                      > > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
                      > > >
                      > > > Check out the Bridge Hammocks some of us are working on over at the
                      > > > Hammock forums
                      > > >
                      > >
                      <If%20you%20want%20a%20hammock%20that%20lays%20flat%20you%20need%20a%20v\
                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
                      20you%27ll%20never%20really%20lay%20flat%20and%20you%27ll%20never%20be%2\
                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
                      20way%20to%20truly%20lay%20flat%20is%20to%20increase%20the%20width%20of%\
                      > > >
                      > >
                      20the%20hammock.%20If%20you%20increase%20the%20width%20to%20where%20you%\
                      > > >
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > >
                      completely%20flat.%20In%20comes%20the%20Bridge%20Hammock:%20http://austr\
                      > > <http://austr/>> alianheritagefleet.com.au/SpecEv/Hammock.html> .
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
                      <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
                      > > "Ken Zeigler" <k.zeigler@>
                      > > > wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I've been reading posts on this site for some time now and I'm not
                      > > > > sure that a hammock will work for me. I have a few questions
                      for you
                      > > > > experienced tree hangers that may help with my decision.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > 1.) Does the Hennesy hammock actually allow you to lay flat?
                      > > > > 2.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock available (purchased or
                      homemade)
                      > > > > that allows you to lay flat or are there other brands?
                      > > > > 3.) For car camping, can the Hennesy be flipped over with the
                      bug net
                      > > > > underneath, for easy access during the day or on cold nights
                      when no
                      > > > > bug net is required.
                      > > > > 4.) Is the Hennesy the only hammock that has the side tie outs? I
                      > > > > tried a Clark Jungle Hammock (borrowed from a friend) and
                      didn't like
                      > > > > the way it collapsed around me. I also felt the zippers were
                      under to
                      > > > > much stress, maybe I hung it incorrectly?
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >
                    • Scott Schroeder
                      Dave, I think you will like the design possibilities with this hammock. It seems there is a lot of room for innovation. Scott ... [Non-text portions of this
                      Message 10 of 13 , Jul 7 7:22 AM
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                        Dave, I think you will like the design possibilities with this hammock. It
                        seems there is a lot of room for innovation.

                        Scott


                        On 7/6/07, Dave Womble <dpwomble@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Scott,
                        >
                        > That is a lot of reading material, it will take a while for me to get
                        > through all that.
                        >
                        > Dave Womble
                        > aka Youngblood
                        > Designer of the Speer SPE and SnugFit Underquilt
                        >
                        >
                        >


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                      • docteric
                        I made up a quick bridge hammock prototype last week and it works really well. It s not quite as stable as my Speer but it is more comfortable for me.
                        Message 11 of 13 , Jul 10 5:51 PM
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                          I made up a quick "bridge hammock" prototype last week and it works
                          really well. It's not quite as stable as my Speer but it is more
                          comfortable for me. While I haven't done it yet, I'll be making a more
                          usable one out of nylon and puting a bug net on it similar to the
                          Mosquito Traveler. I'm anticipating using hiking poles as the braces
                          so I won't have to lug another item.

                          I've actually been a bit bored with hammocks this year as I pretty much
                          settled on a set up I liked and there wasn't much of a reason to try
                          new stuff. Now there is. I get to spend lots of time and money
                          again. Whahoo!
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