Re: I need help!!
- I tried to post a reply to this earlier today but I have not seen it
come up yet, so...I'll try again.
Can you give us some additional information? What type of hammock
and what size rain fly? Is the rain fly attached to the ridgeline of
the hammock? Do you use any elastic shockcord to attach the rain
fly? Why do you think that the rain fly was "flapping" instead of
The reasons for the questions about the ridgeline and shockcord are
basically that rainflys attached to hammock ridgelines have an
inherent problem staying taunt when the hammock is loaded with body
weight and rainflys attached with shockcord have an inherent problem
in high winds because the wind load may stretch the shockcord to the
extent that the rainfly is not covering the hammock. The most secure
rainfly is one that is attached with its own lines to a stationary
tree/object and one that uses line that does not stretch. Certainly
shockcord stretches, but the standard 1/8" nylon line will also
stretch when loaded enough and may not keep a rain fly as taunt as
line that does not stretch significantly under load.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "J Cornelius" <dojers@c...>
> Ok you guys, I need some help here. In my experiements with myhammock
> in preparation for my upcoming trip, I have slept in just aboutevery
> imaginable weather condition you can think of. I slept in coldbelow 30
> (fine - figured out what I needed to do to stay warm), wind, rain,calm.
> My problem is this......wind AND rain! Gusts upward of 50 mph. Wehad
> a wind advisory last night and being the dedicated tester I am, Irain
> decided to sleep in my hammock to experience rain and wind combined.
> Well, lemme tell ya something - there is a HUGE difference between
> or wind and rain AND wind combined. I ended up soaked even tho Ikept "flapping" and
> adjusted the fly twice in the night on the side that
> soaking me. Help - what do I need to look at to fix that? Myhammock
> was setup so I was laying north to south. My feet were pointing tothe
> south. The wind came out of the south - the rainfly on the eastside is
> what gave me the problems. The part on the west did not give me anybeen
> trouble. Another thing to keep in mind is this - the hammock had
> left hanging in the rain for the whole day (it was dry inside -THAT did
> have me impressed!) so the fly was saturated as was the tree strapand
> tie-up ropes. So I'm sure it stretched more than expected when Itwice -
> climbed in last night. I readjusted (tightened) the rain fly
> moving the stake the second time in the hope that that would fixit It
> did not - I woke up soaked - sleeping bag was soaked. I stayedwarm tho
> - yay!!!feel
> Any ideas? Any questions that I may not have mentioned answers to
> free to ask
If you go to WallyMart they have a set of replacement tubes & pouch
for about $4. The pouch is a little leather oblong that has a hole
in either end which the tubing is attached to using what looks like
a larkshead knot.
What I did was cut the leather so I could pull the tubing off. That
leaves a tube with a loop in the end. If you're using a grommet or
plastic ring like the Hennessey uses on the fly then you need to get
the ring inside the tubing loop.
The secret is that the tubing is simply a tube. On one end they poke
a hole in one wall of the tube. Then they lay the pouch on the tube,
reach through the hole, grab the end of the tube and pull it through
the hole so it ends up turning inside itself.
It's much less difficult to do than it is to picture from this
description though. First you'll want to soap it up to make the
rubber slippery. Then you can grab the loop with a pair of needle-
nose pliers and pull it back out of itself. Then you can reverse the
process by using the needle-nose pliers again to reach through the
hole and grab the end to catch the ring or grommet. The first time
you do it you'll puzzle over it. The 2nd time you'll just do it.
In fact, I don't bother pulling the tubing out when I do it. I just
cut it off just below where it connects to the leather pouch. Then I
poke a hole using a shish-kebab skewer about 3/4" from the end. I
push the nose of the pliers through the open end of the tube & out
the hole I just made. Then I pull the other end of the tube through
the ring and then place that end in the jaws of the pliers. Then I
pull it through and when I'm done I've got that nice neat connection
around the ring.
On the free end of the tube that attaches to the tie-out cord I use
a small (1/4" dia) nylon spacer (Home Depot, 50 cents, you'll find
them in the drawers of miscellaneous hardware) I thread the end of
the cord through the spacer (it's a hollow nylon tube) and tie a few
overhand knots to make it large enough not to slip through the hole
in the spacer. I put some Crazy Glue on the knot to make sure it
doesn't unravel. Then I soap up the nylon spacer and shove it into
the end of the rubber tubing. You'll need to fiddle with it a bit to
get the thing in as it's a tight fit and you'll want to make sure
the end of the tubing comes down over the end of the spacer but once
it's on it's not coming off again unless you roll the tubing off of
As they say, this thing is "bulletproof". I've not had any issues
with the connections of the tubing. When I hang my hammock I tie it
to a stake or tree with the tubing stretched. Then as the fly
loosens up the tubing takes up the slack. I don't think using an
elastic cord like the Hennessey's hammock tie-outs use would work
long term as they tend to loose their stretch over time when
regularly tied out in a stretched mode. The rubber tubing is a
surgical grade rubber that doesn't have a problem being tied out
stretched and then returning to it's unstretched size.
I don't think this whole thing weighs more than a couple of ounces.
--- In email@example.com, "Bob" <rnunnink@s...> wrote:
> Thanks for the pictures they help. How did you attach the wrist
> rocket to the cord and the hammock pullout loop so neatly? And do
> think if you used the same elastic cord materail, in place of the
> wrist rockets, that is used for the Hennesy Hammock pullouts you
> could achieve a lighter pullout thay has similar properties?
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "colonelcorn76"
> <colonelcorn76@y...> wrote:
> > Hey Dawn,
> > I uploaded the photos here in a folder called "Jerrys Self-
> > Tensioners".
> > Wrist Rockets are slingshots that fit over your wrist and use
> > surgical tubing as the "rubber band". You can find them...and
> > replacement tubes at your local Wally Mart.
> > With your poncho fly I'd add a couple of grommets or plastic
> > (like are on my Hennessey) and attach the rubber tubing & line
> > those.
> > Jim
> > --- In email@example.com, "dawnhark"
> > wrote:
> > > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "colonelcorn76"
> > > <colonelcorn76@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hiya, Jim!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > with self-tensioners like Jerry uses.
> > >
> > >
> > > What are they? Pics avail anywhere?
> > >
> > >
> > > I took the rubber tubing from
> > > > a wrist-rocket
> > >
> > >
> > > And a wrist rocket would be...?
> > >
> > >
> > > and put one on each of the fly's tie-out rings. For
> > > > serious rain, I then tie the fly's cords to the same stakes
> > use to
> > > > tie out the hammock
> > >
> > >
> > > My hammock has no side tie-outs--so would I have to run some
> > to
> > > the ground from the poncho (tarp)?
> > >
> > > Dawn