9952Re: [Hammock Camping] new intro with a few questions
- Aug 4, 2005Hi sorry for the late reply, i've bene away from my puter. Anyways i thought
i'd try to better explane what i was saying about pack goats.
>Quite possible, for moderate loads and rough trails. The rougher theBucks are used 99% of the time for packing and they adverage 280lbs or more.
>trail, the lighter the pack needs to be. Also the heaver the pack the
>less the goat enjoys the hike. And when a goat digs in it's heels, you
>aren't going anywhere.
60lbs of gear is roughly a 20% body weight ratio. 20% weight is a
perfectally managable load for a goat even on hard trails. They of course DO nead
breaks like any other animal. They are 4wheel drive vehickles not race cars.
As far as "digging in heels" a well trained pack goat won't. They even
cross watter and goats HATE watter most of the time haha. Just like a well
trained pack horse. Balking comes from pain or ill trained animals. They are FAR
less stubern then llamas.
Pack goats aren't just any goat off the farm. There bred for a paticlure
body size and shape. There temperments are carefully selected and they are
hand raised and training starts at birth. There not your tipical goat.
>Dessert goats, perhaps. Normal breeds WILL need water more often.Dessert goats are better at it but nearly any goat has the functional
>Especially while working. You will need to keep them away from the
>water source too, they are as sloppy in their toilet as any other pack
abilitys to manage this. Goats are amazingly versital and adapt to there
enviroment. Again these are bred packgoats, i'm not taking a goat out of the dairy
and tossing a pack on it.
>A working pack goat WILL need some grain/prepared feed. Browsing willAuchuly here i disagree and ANY pack goater will tell you. In sertion
>not provide enough for the HIGH energy output of packing.
enviroments yes it is true but especially here in the NW there is NO nead to pack
feeds for a buck. They are the only pack animal that can do this. Now if
you bring a doe along also for milk and a light load then you have to pack
grain for her. Does carry much lighter loads but provide milk on the trail
(great protin sorse for hikers on the trails) and it is easy to make "camp
yogert" in the morning for a tasty breakfast. How else can you get fresh milk and
yogert in the back country. Anyways a doe in milk would nead grains but not
>Apparently you have not seen a busy game trail.HEHEHE i agree, but then again i'm not taking a herd of goats out daily on
the same trail, i have 1 goat with me and control his behavior.
>Less perhaps, still they have feet.Yes i agree here also, i did not meen to imply they leave NO dammage as they
don't levitate. They do leave far less dammage then any other pack animal,
or human for that matter.
I've tracked goats when they got out of the paddock. They do leave traces.
Yup especially when left to there own devices, just ask my fruit trees! The
point i was tryingto make is that they are the most enviromentally friendly
pack animal choice a hiker can make. As long as you do it properly they
leave less dammage then a human.
>And might attract bears and/or large cats.They can attract cats but bear i've never heard of. I don't worry much as
i also hike with my service dog and have him walk the perimiter when i make
camp (even if camping without goats) His smell makes the cats think twice but
i know that many many goat packers hike the back country in couger areas and
never have issues.
>True, as long as you stay within their limitations.Agreed, goats do have there limits just like any other pack animal. But
then again i was suggesting it for disabled or limited hikers so really my
limits take there toll far sooner then my goats hit there limits so we are a great
>IMHO; Taking any animal increases my work load. While I might be ableI traval EVERYWARE with a service dog and almost everyware with a disabled
>to reduce a 20 pound weekend pack load a bit, I'm constantly picking up
>after, checking pack condition, fetching water, taking extra breaks and
>so on. And that's just with 1 dog. A pack animal would be more work
>for me than hiking without.
child so i don't even bat an eye at such things hahaha. For long hikes i
simply bury my dog's fecies with mine unless i'm packing out mine and then i
packout my dog's. My dog pottys on command so he just goes when i do ;) Only a
two second difrance in time as i just put his in my hole. The goat i make
sure it is off trail but i leave it. My goats are tested so i'm not leaving
My goat is potty trained so i have no worry of him deficating in streams but
i still watter him off watter but i don't have to haul the 200' that i would
for washing and cleaning. Both my dog and goat are cocsi and gardia free.
I wouldn't risk contaminating the enviroment.
I take more breaks then my animals do so not an issue there ether. Pack
checks are easy and normal for me, i constintally check my SD for gear when out
in public so it is second nature for me.
I can't carry over 20lbs but to be pain free (err pain less) i tipically
don't go over a 10lb pack. I mostly use a 1,200 sq ft day pack for hiking and
the animals deal with the rest. I also do longer then simple weekend hikes
so 20lbs total weight is often not possible thus the animal help. The
"burdon" of packing with animals is definatally outweighted by the help and simple
creature companionship. And with goats you'll spot more deer and wild goats
and sheep. They seem genuinally interested in these weard domestic goats
There definatally not for everyone but they are a godsend for the disabled!
Melissa and Tao
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