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905Re: Hammock Camping Near Disaster!

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  • geoflyfisher
    Mar 24, 2003
      Regarding the cause/anatomy/etc...

      the rip is at the end of the loop velcro. It is perpendicular to the
      edge of the fabric and extends about 6 inches into the hammock.

      My guess is the cause was the hook velcro of my bug net. I had sewn
      hook velcro all the way to the end of the bug net, somewhat
      differently than you suggest. It is a little more form fitting to
      the opening of the hammock. I'd guess that the hooked together
      velcro on the bug net somewhere outside the overhand knot of the
      hammock got stuck and as I sat down on the edge of the hammock the
      hook velcro, or the sharp edge on that velcro, acted as a knife,
      starting a rip.

      At this point, I am considering doing something different with the
      velcro for the poncho/insulator, so I may just chuck the material for
      the hammock and peel off the existing velcro to re-use it. Patching
      the material might work, but for the 12 bucks to replace the
      material, it seems like too much work to patch and then worry.


      --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <info@s...> wrote:
      > Wow! Flyfisher--glad you were able to salvage your hike. Your quick
      > thinking saved the day (or the night).
      > I'm most interested in what caused the ripped hammock, as I'm sure
      > are. I've never had a hammock do that before, so my suspicion is
      > the fabric somehow got cut or torn on a sharp edge. How was the rip
      > oriented--along the fabric edge, perpendicular to the fabric edge,
      > Does the features of the rip suggest how it tore--I don't even know
      > torn ripstop is suppose to like.
      > Were you using 1.9 ripstop, or it's lighter 1.1 oz cousin? I've
      had 1.1
      > ripstop tear from normal use--but never 1.9.
      > Tying the end knot by pulling the long edges a few inches longer
      > the rest of the hammock shouldn't put undue stress on the long
      > anything, it puts more stress on the centerline of the hammock, not
      > long edges. And the velcro shouldn't be the culprit either (FYI,
      > sometimes my velcro stops just shy of the end knot and other times
      > disappears into the end knot, but it never extends completely
      > the knots). As far as user weight goes, I've tested a 1.9 ripstop
      > hammock to 375 lbs w/ me wildly bouncing up and down --the only
      > that happened was the 1/2" steel bolts I was tied to pulled out of
      > wall! I have many customers who weigh more than you and they've not
      > reported any problems. I'm currently using a 1.9 oz ripstop hammock
      > that has been slept in over 400 times--that's over 3,200 hours,
      with no
      > sign of failure or damage (I weigh 170 lbs). In fact, that's the
      > hammock I tested to 375 lbs earlier.
      > What I'm trying to say here is it seems unlikely the fabric failed
      > normal use only. I would carefully consider sources other than the
      > fabric or the design. I'm assuming the fabric was sound to begin
      > Were you using seconds--fabric seconds are usually OK since defects
      > generally cosmetic, but defects in the fabric strength can exist.
      > How was the hammock packed/transported after the last use--is it
      > possible it could have been cut or ripped accidentally. Did the
      > snag on anything while making or breaking camp, like a sharp stick
      > rock--I've often worried that mine will get damaged this way--it's
      > easy to miss a potential snag or rip. Also, once occupied, the taut
      > hammock fabric is much more susceptible to punctures or tears--
      could it
      > have gotten caught on anything after you were inside, either this
      > or a recent previous use? Did anyone else use your hammock--could
      > have had a problem? When all else fails, blame it on the Mad
      > Slasher!
      > I'm sure you're trying to think of every possible cause and may have
      > already considered the ones I mention above. Hopefully we can use
      > episode as a learning experience--if you can only solve the
      > mystery....Ed
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: geoflyfisher [mailto:geoflyfisher@y...]
      > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:20 PM
      > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Hammock Camping Near Disaster!
      > Well, it seems like near disaster. On my Zaleski trip, I almost
      > to sleep on the ground. The robust nature of Ed's design had me
      > swinging after a 10 minute repair.
      > When I arrived at the campsite, I put up the hammock and decided to
      > take the bug net off completely, as it is entirely too early for
      > flying biting stuff, and I no longer need the bug net to keep snow
      > flakes off my quilt.
      > When I got to one end, I discovered to my horror, that there was a
      > inch rip in the hammock right at the end of the velcro strip. I
      > don't know if the hook velcro of the bug net had weakened the
      > unprotected 1.9 oz ripstop, or my pulling the 2 inches Ed suggests
      > the book had caused the edge to become extra tight, but there was a
      > failure of the material. I was a bit afraid to sleep in the torn
      > hammock.
      > Solution.. I pulled the strap loop down a foot or so toward the
      > other end of the hammock. Then I tied a new knot in the end of the
      > hammock, incorporating the velcro edge. The rip is in the
      > that no longer supports weight. It worked just fine, but is a
      > shorter (about 14 inches) than I planned. As such it will work
      > for Diane, but I was a little long for the new length. But it
      > worked.
      > I'm glad I had not used the sewn method of making the hammock end.
      > If I had, I would have been sleeping on the ground.
      > Prevention... I am reconsidering Ed's instruction to pull the two
      > edges up about two inches. I may be this unequal tension which led
      > to the failure. I have to think a little about that. I also am
      > considering sewing the velcro strip all the way to the end of the
      > material so the strip is part of the knot and lends extra strength
      > the critical last couple inches.
      > Has anyone else had problems with a failure of the hammock material
      > when they used the right material and did not violate the weight
      > limits?? (I weigh 190#)
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