378RE: Hammock Camping Best gear to stay warm?
- Jan 30, 2003
MessageCoy Boy, that inflatable sleeping bag is called the Cocoon and it did cost about $1000--the most expensive piece of outdoor gear I ever owned. But I hate the cold and I was working near the Arctic Circle in the winter time! Actually it was for emergencies and was a business expense!The DAM is similar construction--both are custom-made from readily available materials and I'm thinking of adapting something similar for use as an under blanket for the hammock....Ed
I saw that inflatable tent last year (someone posted a link on BPL I
think). If I remember it was over $1000. If I were going to spend a
lot of time in severe cold I believe I'd go with it. I dont think
there would be a lot of advantages to hanging it. But if you are
interested in expeirmenting with something like this I would like to
see a down air mattres built just for hammocks. You may have seen
the D.A.M from warmlight.com. This may be the best solution plus it
would work as a ground pad when needed. I would like to see a down
air matress wider than normal but a sewn on top skinnier than
normal. The bottem pad would take care of the bottom and sides and
the top would just cover the top of chest/legs. I'll bet it would be
expensive to make though.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Ed Speer" <info@s...> wrote:
> WOW, you have several great ideas here Bear. I especially like
> of candles beneath the hammock for heat--I know that this
> used in cave exploration where underground camping is necessary.
> have been using hammocks sourrounded by a plastic drop cloth tube-
> with a single candle burning on the ground beneath the hammock for
> time. But a cave envirnoment is mild temps (55-75F) w/ no wind (or
> bugs); may not work as well outside. BTW, I currently have a Speer
> Hammock on just such a caving expedition in India right now.
> I've been wanting to experiemnt w/ fabric side panels from hammock
> the ground, like skirting around a mobil home, but haven't gotten
> to it yet. This should work well--my pile of leaves under the
> this Fall worked great!
> An inflatable hammock? I've been thinking about this also. I
> have a very expensive inflatable sleeping bag that I bought a few
> ago for Arctic camping--It's like having a 4"-thick air mattress
> completely around the body. Very warm--down to -40F! The inflated
> tubes contain down, unlike the heavy open-cell foam in ThermaRest
> to prevent air currents. The entire setup weighs 8 lbs (but it all
> serves as combo bivy, sleeping bag, sleep pad, and ground sheet).
> has given me some ideas. I could probably make something similar
> straps for hanging like a hammock, but the weight would be too
> backpacking. I've thought about making a hammock w/ a 4/5 length,
> inflatable down-filled bottom--would probably weigh only 2 lbs (not
> counting bug net and tarp). It would be ideal for winter car
> but not summer use. A 1.5" snap-on removable 4/5 length inflatable
> down-filled under pad might just do the trick--but the labor
> would make it very expensive. Still, I hope to try this this year.
> My observations on ThermARest type pads--the ultralight weight
> favored by backpackers produce cold spots because of the uneven
> of foam inside. However, the regular versions have solid open-
> inside, thus they weigh more, but are much warmer w/out cold spots
> the old weight vs warmth problem).
> Dang. I'm sorry but I seem to have confused EVERYONE with my
> terminology. Ed. the "shawl" isn't anything other than a
> piece of evazote pad (30 x 48 inches). I call it that
> because I wrap it around my shoulders (like a shawl) just
> before I lie down in the hammock. But once it's down, it's
> just like any other piece of pad, lying there in the bottom.
> I think closed-cell foam pads are great, except for the
> width. Either too narrow, or so wide you ruin them by
> folding them to pack them around. I wish fleece was as good,
> but for some reason I don't think it packs small enough.
> Maybe because the pads get put outside my pack, but the
> fleece suit doesn't.
> I also like the notion of non-compressible fabrics, like
> fleece and wool. But their strength is their weakness.
> Hooray! They don't compress! Darn! They don't compress!
> Still, I'm going to try more experiments with a wool blanket
> pad to replace the foam pad. At least I COULD wear that
> around camp like a shawl. (But then of course, I should call
> it a pad, to sustain the confusion.)
> I've dreamed about wearing a wet suit jacket. My diving
> buddies tell me it's not a comfortable idea. Probably
> wouldn't pack well either.
> Maybe I just need about four chunks of 1 x 2 foot 1/2-inch
> evazote to position between me and the hammock as I roll
> around on cold nights.
> I've said this before and I'll say it again. I'd like to
> make a cloth cover that's like my Mountain Hardwear
> BackCounty, but has wings. that way I could fold the
> shoulder/torso wing parts and roll it all up neatly. Or even
> take the pads out and roll them flat. I'd make the cover
> accept one or two thicknesses of main pads, so I could
> tailor the pad thickness to the weather.
> Slickery on the bottom and grabby on the top. I don't know
> why, but it works, even in an HH.
> I also really do wonder about circulating the warm air that
> floats above my torso down to the bottom of my Pea Pod. Not
> quite the VW exchanger umbilical cord, but maybe an actual
> chunk of drier pipe with a battery powered fan. Well...
> And maybe dropping non-flammable skirts to the ground and
> putting a row of six votive candles under my hammock.
> I'm also thinking about taking a second look at ThermaRest
> pads. When I look at my winter pack, then (later) look at my
> hammock and bag and puffy clothes, it really hits home how
> much insulation is about volume. So adding the volume by
> inflating a pad seems good. I don't have to pack and haul
> the air.
> Maybe a sealed silnylon under-hammock that gets inflated
> after hanging?
> And about the under-hammock. The idea of making a simple one
> appeals to me, because I could stuff whatever I wanted
> between my butt and the under-hammock, but still be able to
> position it easily when I'm in the hammock. I think Ed does
> that with his Pea Pod some times.
> In this same vein, the Garling insulation system seems
> really promising, especially as it can work with simple and
> complex hammocks.
> In summary, the best I've actually found so far:
> HH - Mountain Hardwear BackCountry with quilt
> Simple - Speer Pea Pod plus various closed or combination
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