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  • Ralph Oborn
    Jan 5, 2011
      Question came from Backpacking light, cross posted on hammockcamping)

      On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:

      > I would suggest you take the cot idea a little further.
      > Try a camping hammock,
      > Me,
      > my scouts,
      > Their dads all agree they get the best nights sleep EVER in a hammock.
      > Now I'm not recommending a silly string hammock with those spreader
      > bars, but a real camping hammock
      > (see Hennessey Hammock for instance)
      > Or I can show you how to make your own for under $10.
      > Anyway I find it great for my old back.
      > Ralph
      > PS my latest scout dad convert is a chiropractor!

      On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:18 PM, shari <sharihikes@...> wrote:

      > Ralph,
      > I'd be interested in the DIY hammock you mentioned. However, I'm a side
      > sleeper. Does a hammock, even a Hennessey, really work for side sleepers?

      OK here goes, the hammock's I make aren't like a hennessy (cadilac), mine
      are more like old VW bugs, (comfy, easy to fix, cute).
      Most of my ideas were developed by the group over on the hammock camping
      Yahoo group hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com.
      It's a place where we "all hang together".

      The folks at hammockforums.net also have a lot of expertise and some
      innovative ideas.

      My major inspiration is the famous Risk hammock (google it and be amazed).
      Ed Speers and Dave and Shane and Youngblood also inspired me. Enough

      I have made dozens of these hammocks with my scouts and their dads here in
      Pocatello (God's Country).
      Usually the dads are skeptical until we get them in one and they see their
      kids sleeping in one. Then they want one also.

      Four yards of nylony non stretch material. Ripstop is nicer but not
      necessary. I get mine for $1.50 a yard at Walmart. (we still have a fabric
      Four yards seems like a lot but it's not, I'm a big guy, my favorite hammock
      uses five yards.

      Two 15 foot lengths of strapping or rope. You can use old motorcycle
      tiedowns (without the hardware), or 1/2 inch yellow poly rope, or mule tape
      (used by electricians).

      Mule tape is awesome stuff, holds 2,000 lbs. Find someone who works for the
      power company, or the phone company or a cable company. They throw it away
      all the time after a couple of uses.

      NO Sewing!!!!! :]

      Grasp the material alongside the end about two inches down from the end in
      each hand.
      Start gathering with both hands heading towards the top center of the end.
      When done you should end up with something that looks like Batman's cowl,
      with little "ears" on either side like this --> 'w' .

      The "ears make it so the hammock "cups" and is very stable (my scouts have a
      hard time getting out)

      Next fold the material over about 6 inches from the end to make a loop (or

      Use your strap to tie a double sheet-bend (like a regular sheet-bend but you
      do everything twice.
      Repeat on other end.

      Examine your workmanship. Stretch it out with a friend and see how it
      "cups". if it is not symmetrical re-tie an end etc. (or leave it, it
      probably won't matter)

      Responsible hangers NEVER put a rope around a tree, if you didn't use
      straps, get some and make a long loop and tie to that.
      Hangers also use a special hammock hangers knot to distribute the load
      around a tree and not "bruise the bark".

      Shown here, but you don't need all the stuff on the end.

      Always check ALL your knots with your full weight before mounting your
      hammock. Especially if your skeptical spouse is watching. (yes there is a
      story there)

      Don't hang to tight, proper "sag" is about 30° for most folks. Experiment,
      yours may vary.

      Imagine a line from tree to tree. If you try to sleep on that line you will
      end up on your back with your knees locked (known as the "banana" position.
      After a few minutes. this becomes very uncomfortable.
      if you want to really get comfortable, sleep offset by about 15° from the
      centerline you will find a sweet spot where you can sleep almost flat (I
      need a small pillow).
      Once you find that spot, you can roll on your side, and almost stomach

      Sleeping hint 2: cross your ankles if you insist on sleeping on your back.

      Finding places to hang:

      I live in Idaho surrounded by Natl Forest, there are always places to hang.
      As I explained to a skeptical scout dad: "I get to choose where we camp, and
      where I choose there will be trees.
      But there might not be a flat spot for your tent.
      As long as you are below the timberline, it is a lot easier to find trees
      than flat spots. :]

      Hammock hangers sleep cool, you will have cold air under you. I put a
      thermarest under me.
      Other more inventive folks use underquilts and top quilts.

      Run a separate line from tree to tree. hang a 8X10 blue tarp diagonally (so
      it covers the 13 foot of hammock).
      stake out the corners of course.
      If the weather is clear, I don't use one, and enjoy the stars.
      If it looks nasty I tie it low and tight.

      When it rains my scouts in tents invariably get wet from touching the side
      of their tents.
      My hanging scouts and their dads have ALWAYS stayed dry!!!

      You can watch stars all night
      You don't have to worry about that one last pine cone under your tent
      You will be sleeping so well you might miss breakfast.

      This is just a basic beginner DIY hammock.
      The hammock forums have lots of other suggestions about quilts, under
      quilts, bug screens, ridge lines, handing angles,
      dutch clips, whoopie slings (very very neat), Amsteel rope truck mounts,
      car mounts, racks, material and lots more.

      But if I ever have a choice I will never ever sleep on that hard bumpy
      ground again.
      Hammock hangers usually feel sorry for ground dwellers.

      Ralph (Hennesy Asym owner and maker of dozens of QEC (quick, easy, cheap)

      PS if you hit me offline I can send you a link to some diagrams (along with
      my book of scout games)

      On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:18 PM, shari <sharihikes@...> wrote:

      > Ralph,
      > I'd be interested in the DIY hammock you mentioned. However, I'm a side
      > sleeper. Does a hammock, even a Hennessey, really work for side sleepers?

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