18580RE: [Hammock Camping] update PeaPod experience
- Jan 6, 2008I remember reading that you got cold around your shoulders and I was
thinking I saw a pretty cool hood with Velcro that just attached to the
peapod so there was no actual opening open to the air. As I remember it, you
got into the hammock, closed the peapod up a bit, stuck your head into the
polar fleece hood so that your face was exhaling out of the peapod but the
hood kept out drafts. Looked cool to me.
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On Behalf Of billybob38801
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] update PeaPod experience
Hmm, it took me a minute to picture what you were saying, but I think
you are on to something. Best of both worlds. It would, of course, be
even more expensive than the normal PeaPod, but I guess no more so
than a Snugfit plus a separate top quilt or two No Snivelers. I'm
still looking forward to seeing some temp reports on the Snugfit.
Though I'm still hoping I can get it adjusted just right. Once I do,
I'll just leave it in place. But what's amazing to me is how well I
did with a less than optimum ( apparently ) adjustment. Basically, at
least as good as rated, I believe. I mean, a summer weight bag as
quilt, some warm clothing( I've used more, believe me!)and a space
blanket, and I am adequate at 10* with a wind chill between 0* and 5*,
without any pads? What competing single product can beat that, even
with a perfect adjustment? I'm impressed. After all, I'm not
Mr.Antifreeze blood, AKA Neo!
This thing is not perfect for me, and I hate that I can't use it with
my HH, for example, and it won't necessarily replace all of my other
means of keeping warm in a hammock. BUT, there is something just
super efficient about this thing when it comes to hammock warmth. My
impression is that reports I've seen with separate UQs plus top quilts
don't show as much warmth? And I can understand that on top, since I
added a thin quilt, which adds weight. But that shouldn't effect the
Maybe it is the effect of being sealed in, like a mummy bag? Which
might be even more efficient using my separate Marmot hood outside the
pod, with the pod sealed around my neck.
I also wonder if being sealed in, with loft closing all around the
side/top edges, decreases any cooling effect of small air gaps and
less than perfect fit underneath? I can see where it would decrease
any effect from breezes or air circulation, that might be more of a
problem with quilts top and bottom? I don't know, just guessing about
why this product seems to be warmer than you would think when
comparing it to similar products, weight wise and rated loft wise.
Of course, I really kind of expected ( no, let's say "hoped for")
this. Due to having PMed a couple PeaPod users, who don't post very
much on the forums. Folks who had reported super good results with
their PeaPods on the trail. In all cases, better than rated for the
PeaPod they were using.
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<mailto:hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com> , tim garner <slowhike@...> wrote:
>the hammock by velcroing to the snugfit quilt??? that may be just
> maybe ed & dave need to come up w/ a section that covers the top of
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> billybob38801 <billybob38801@...> wrote:
> I thought I should post my most recent results in some real cold a
> couple of nights back.
> First, let me say that I am still having minor difficulties adjusting
> the "loft compression vs no air gap" conflict. IOW, it seems that if I
> adjust the PeaPod sag any where near where the pod barely contacts the
> hammock bottom with me in it- or even with a small gap, then I don't
> seem to have full loft right under my butt. So, I'm still working on
> that, and so far I can't quite figure it out. Also, I would like to
> know, if I can't have a very close fit without some loss of loft, then
> which should I sacrifice? Would I be better off with a air gap of an
> inch or two under my lowest point, and have full loft? Or the reverse,
> better off with a "snugfit" and some loss of loft of an inch or so?
> I should also say that I am probably an average sleeper temp wise. I
> used to be very hot natured, warm sleeper. But as I have gotten older, I
> definitely have much less tolerance for the cold. So, maybe I am now
> about in the middle, but who knows?
> Any way, the forecast low was 14-16*F. It was 11PM when I hung the
> hammock and put on the PeaPod by head lamp. Really quite easy to do, I
> just adjusted it for about the same distance from end knots as some
> previous experiments had shown to be correct. I was using a structural
> ridge line for consistent hang. Then I hung my tarp. It was already 19*,
> and by the time I did this I was starting to get quite a chill. There
> was also a bit of a wind chill all night, probably and additional 5* or
> a bit more.
> So, I hopped in and Velcroed up. I had on light thin long johns, 1 layer
> of medium wool socks with liner socks and vapor barrier on standby, neck
> gator, hat and Bozeman Mountain Works Cocoon Polargard pants ( 8 ozs )
> and hooded jacket ( 14 ozs.) that I had used on previous tests without
> quilt. But this time I added a 25 year old quallofil summer bag that
> has about 1-1.25 " SINGLE layer loft, used as quilt. The original rating
> was either 40* or 50*, I don't remember. And sense it was already 1*
> below the PeaPod's rating, I added a 2 oz space blanket to the pod,
> which covered the bottom and well up the sides of the hammock. I closed
> the Velcro down to about a 6" opening above my face, got on the diagonal
> a bit and tried to sleep, always tough for me to do in the back yard,
> for some reason. But not in the woods in a hammock, where I sleep like
> the dead! Once again, though it felt like the pod did not quite contact
> my low point ( very small gap), when I reached around the outside, it
> only felt like there was no more than 1 - 1.5" loft. I said to heck
> with it, as I figured there would be plenty of days on the trail where I
> would be too tired to fool with fine adjustments. Let's just see how it
> goes. I figured I would have to go in later, too cold.
> It took about 10 or 20 minutes before I realized that I was starting to
> over heat. So I let my hood down, and then I was just plenty warm, but
> not starting to sweat. I did my usual fitful backyard style sleeping,
> but plenty warm, I had to admit. Once during the night, I was not quite
> comfortable enough around my shoulders, having my usual trouble with
> draftiness when using a quilt, especially when I would move briefly to
> my side. I never have much luck using sleeping bags as quilts as far as
> drafts around the shoulders. But I would just snug the quilt up and be
> fine again until I moved too much, plus at some point I pulled the hood
> back up.
> Finally, I woke up at what I figured was about 0130 or 0230. I was no
> longer toasty warm, but I was not uncomfortably cold. Just barely cool,
> top and bottom. So I figured that's it, I'll go in and get some good
> sleep. It's probably about 16* and I have established my lower limit
> with this set-up. So I turned on my head lamp, looked at my watch, and
> lo and behold it was 0430! So I had made it through most of the night
> without getting uncomfortably cold, just barely cool. Amazingly for me,
> even though I had a big drink of water right before bed in hopes of
> staying hydrated in the cold, I had not even had to gt up and take a
> leak over 51/2 hours. So I decided to just ride it out until 0600, when
> I had to get up for work anyway. But as the night was nearly over, I
> decided to take a risk on condensation and closed the pod completely.
> Boy, that made a very noticeable difference pretty quickly. In a few
> minutes, I was agin warm on top, and still just ok on the bottom. I fell
> back asleep, but then car noises woke me up again at 0500, and now I
> realized I really did have to take a leak, so I just got up. I looked at
> my thermometer, and it read 10*! Plus, according to the weather folks,
> there was an intermittent wind chill of zero* to 5*.
> Folks, I don't know about you, but I think that is pretty darn good
> performance for that amount of gear in a hammock! It definitely worked
> as advertised. And I wonder if I can do better if I ever get better at
> getting a "snugfit" with out loft loss on the bottom?
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