18379Re: [Hammock Camping] Survival/emergency topics, was Solar Stills
- Dec 2, 2007--- Tod Massa <todmassa@...> wrote:
> I think you are worrying way too much about animals. I have yet in three years of hammocking toNow, see, this is really helpful! At the moment, I'm doing research, and to hear that real
> be even approached by an animal while in a hammock - and I typically wake four or five times a
> night. Rarely such things happen, but it is very rare. Probably the biggest thing to worry would
> be porcupines taking your shoes during the night.
encounters are more rare than I'm thinking is very helpful!
>I never intended to have a hammock alone. At the very least, we'll have those silver emergency
> If you are relying on a hammock to preserve your life and comfort if you are stranded for a
> night in temperate weather, I think you are making a mistake. Without a tarp, without something
> to keep you warm, if the nighttime temp drops much below 70, you could end up being very cold
> and uncomfortable.
blankets with us that can be used for tarps, and extra clothing layers. It all depends on the
tripe we've planned. But, that's why I'm here - your comments are helpful in considering the
balance between the weight we'd have to carry for a given trip, and the safety requirements we
want to meet....
> Far better would be a poncho and poncho liner with 50ft of parachute cord.Got the poncho, as mentioned above, and the parachute cord. I have been thinking of carrying the
> For less than two lbs you are in a much better situation to survive a range of changing
poncho/cord IN ADDITION TO the hammock - not INSTEAD OF....
>Again, my husband and I are mostly planning for emergencies in temperate conditions. We are
> Would I take my full set-up on a day hike when I expected to return to base camp? Probably not,
> unless it was dead of winter at elevation, and I had doubts regarding my ability to keep to
> schedule. However, I would carry a poncho liner, nylon tarp, para cord, and my usual
> essentials...basically the same thing I have in my backpack when I go hunting.
> In the end, I think hammocking is for comfort and somewhat increased flexibility. Certainly
> there are places you can hang where you can't tent but the reverse is most certainly true once
> you leave the woodlands. Staying warm is a real issue. I have worked on my setup to manage temps
> in the teens, but when it goes below that, I think real hard about my plans.
retiring and planning to chase 70 degrees around the country as much as we can! I can appreciate
your concerns at substantially lower temps, though. We are working with the average 70-degree
day, but prepped for lower temps for a night to deal with a crisis in the field.
> There is a rule of threes that some folks use for survival situations: You can goYep, got that one, except I'd add the need for fire between shelter and water.
> - three hours without shelter
> - three days without water
> - three weeks without food.
>Again, are you talking about emergency situations, where you find yourself stuck unexpectedly?
> Shelter means warmth and protection from the elements. If you want that from a hammock, you are
> talking about a self-contained product like the Hennessy. Minimum weight, without anything to
> keep you warm is going to be at least 18 oz, assuming the Adventure Racer meets your needs. From
> there the weights go up. Yes, you could perhaps just add a space blanket and be set. ..but for
> me, that means high summer only.
Remember that guy a year or two ago who was climbing alone, and got his arm stuck between some
rocks? Ended up cutting off his own arm to get free. I bet he wishes he had a decent whistle
with him. Please remember, I'm talking about an unexpected need for a night out, so the balance
must be maintained between the weight we'll carry and the probability of needing it.
>Understood. That's why we want to be better prepared than just a t-shirt and jeans. For sure,
> I do get concerned when people say they will only go out on "pleasant days." I have seen way
> too many (100+) some days who go hiking in national parks on pleasant days in jeans and cotton
> t-shirts with little else. Most of the time, they get away with it...however, just two weeks ago
> it took a number of people to get young man down from Old Rag in SNP with a broken collar-bone.
> If there had not been literally 200 or more people spread out on an 8 mile trail, it could have
> been worse.
our packs will be better than that.
>A great idea! We tend to test our stuff out at our "base camp," which is where we have generally
> Whatever setup you decide to use, test it! First in your backyard, then in the wild. You will
> need to know what the warmth limits are, and what you need to do to be comfortable. Hanging low
> and piling leaves or pine straw underneath will help. You may be just fine with the absolute
> minimum you are proposing, but I don't think I would be.
parked our trailer for the summer, in a private campground complete with water and electric at the
site, and a good shower house. That way, if something doesn't work, we have no risk at all.
We're on to phase II for most things - that is, taking it out onto a trail, and checking out
whether it works for us in the overall scheme of things.
The Truly Educated Never Graduate
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