15605Re: HH on PCT report
- Sep 1, 2006Pan wrote:
"Sorry for the delayed response...have been away from this site for a
couple of days.
My post was in response to my perceived belief that you felt
hammocks were heavy or at least heavier than your bivi set up. The
stock BUL and SS system you chose is heavier than some other HH and
several other hammocks. There are posts on Whiteblaze.net that
probably have 30-40 responses of different hammock set ups, many in
the 3-3.5 pound range for hammocks , tarps and bottoms insulation
adequate for 30-35 degree use.To answer you question on specific
alternative the HH Hyperlight will shave 10 oz from the BUL
approach, Speer models can come in lighter depending on material.
(personally Iuse a HH ELR without the fly, 8x8, w STL and 2 ti UL
stakes , A JRB Nest under quilt w/Suspension system and it come to
exactly 48 os.) Others are lighter, Carol Crooker on BPL hammocked
in the 5 pound challege last year with her entire base pack under 5
Looking over your post above, it appears that you are carrying 12 oz
or so of alternative gear, blue pad, space blanket, tyvek,funnels,
and also a line level...this makes your set up appear almost a pound
Thanks, Pan. Ditto about delayed response; my wife and I just
finished hiking around Mt. Rainier on the Wonderland Trail (about 100
miles of all up-and-down). Sharing a tent, as my wife hasn't
converted, so I was back to dirt camping!
When I responded to you last time, I hadn't realized you were a gear
maker (JacksRBetter); I really appreciate folks like you and Ed and
others that respond to us gear *users*!
One thing that struck me in your suggested 2.5 to 3 pound range was
just simple math: my Hennessy Ultralight Backpacker is listed on the
Hennessy site as 1 pound 15 ounces. Your JRB Nest is listed at 20
ounces, plus another ounce for the stuff sack and I think another
ounce for the suspension system (? based on backpackgeartest review).
Those items then alone sum to 53 ounces --- 3.3 pounds ... that's
without including stakes to hold the sides out, or longer straps
(necessary in the NW).
I could have saved 7 oz (or maybe 10 depending on which HH specs you
read ...) by going with the hyperlite instead of ultralight; the
hyperlight is very new, however, and I generally prefer to let other
pioneers get the arrows in their backs <g>. If I were willing to pay
more for a hammock that I would guess would wear out faster, I could
indeed get that down to 2 pounds 14 ounces --- more like right at the
3 pound edge of your suggested range with necessary stakes and longer
straps (funnels optional at less than an ounce).
It looks to me that at this point I could save maybe 9 ounces over
what I'm doing now (without buying a new hammock) by replacing my
supershelter + foam pad + space blanket with a JRB nest, at the cost
of $240 more, but with hopefully a more comfortable and consistently
warm sleep --- assuming any underquilt will be sufficiently draft-free
(i.e., that gaps between underquilt and hammock body don't lose me the
warm dead air I need). And that I could keep the thing dry enough in
the pacific northwest to keep me reliably warm. And that I never had
to pitch the hammock on the ground.
Come late fall or winter I'll try out some options with my
supershelter first, and if I just can't make that reasonably work in
lower temps, I might indeed become another JRB customer! Or maybe a
KAQ customer, accepting more weight for a synthetic that hopefully
would keep me warm even if wet (?).
I was interested in the setup that you mentioned above, and wonder if
you could expand a couple of the abbreviations (please):
"HH ELR without the fly, 8x8, w STL and 2 ti UL stakes , A JRB Nest
under quilt w/Suspension system" that you said comes out to exactly 48
HH ELR is what? The Hennessy Explorer Ultralight A-Sym is listed at 2
pounds 7 ounces (39 ounces), so that can't be it, unless you're
somehow saving a lot of weight on an alternate (but bigger?) fly. I'm
not sure what an STL is; I presume 8x8 refers to some alternative fly
you're using. ti UL stakes are likely light weight (ti == titanium)
Again, I'm truly not meaning to be critical or negative or anything,
just trying to understand --- if a JRB nest with stuff sack and
suspension system is 22 ounces, then 48 - 22 = 26 ounces for your
hammock with alternate fly and stakes. That might work if ELR is a
strange abbreviation for Hyperlite ...
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