11138Re: underquilts vs. pads....
- Nov 10, 2005--- In email@example.com, "Steve Joiner" <joiners@b...>
> Hi, all. I'd like to request a little of this sage group's
> I've been using the following setup:
> above 60 degrees - a ~2 lb 40 degree down bag used as a quilt, no
> 30 - 60 degrees - an 8 oz 27" target pad, a 22 oz homemade downquilt, a
> silk liner w/ maybe one layer of midwt thermals below 40 degreesThis looks like 8 oz for pad, 4-6 oz for the silk liner and approx
20 oz for a top and bottom mid weight... or a total of 32-34 oz...
assuming, your 22 oz quilt is enough for the top for you in this
A 2 inch down under quilt and its suspension system will take you to
this range in skivies, plus your unmentioned adequate,head gear...
for 21-22 oz or a savings of about 10 oz...and a lot less bulk and
> 10 - 30 degrees - the 8 oz pad, a 32 oz TR guidelite, the quilt, asilk
> liner, several layers of clothing, and several 'hand-warmers' ifbelow 20
Again this looks like 8 oz plus the 32 oz just counting bottom pads,
40 oz total ( assuming the silk liner and extra clothes is now
necessary because the limits of the top quilt are exceeded).
A 3 inch down under quilt and suspension system will take one to
this range for a weight of 25-26 oz total... a savings of 14-15
oz....or use a 2 inch UQ and the pad for a total weight of 30 oz if
you want the pad and a little more weight but still 10 oz less than
your proposed set up.
> degrees. 'Base' pack wt with this setup is about 10.5 lbs, withtotal pack
> wt for a 3-day weekend (also including food, 2 litres of water,clothing)
> about 25 lbs. It's probably below 30 degrees on 5 of my campoutsa year,
> below 20 on 2 or 3.... I've been generally toasty with this setupin the
> mid-teens with strong gusting winds....get cold.
> The only issues I've had with this setup are:
> - the pad is still not wide enough. at lower temps my arms still
> I can usually find a place to keep them warm and sleep...and TR,
> - the trickiness of getting into the hammock, adjusting the pad
> getting into the liner and quilt footbox - esp at 3 am after a biobreak!
Note, I read this as the current set up is heavier and still has
some problem issues for you.
> Other than that, I love the setup and the good night's sleep I
> I've seen much of the discussion about underquilts, and find the
> appealing. Before jumping into an expensive purchase or a fairlyintensive
> home project (also not sure that my wife has forgiven me yet forscrewing up
> her sewing machine on the quilt project!), I've got a fewquestions....
> - will converting to an underquilt be a weight savings? my
> that an underquilt, without additional padding, will be good toabout 30
> degrees. Is this correct?Yes, it is good to about 30 degrees.
if so, isn't this a good bit heavier than my
> current setup? The peapod is about 30 ozs, the JRB about 20.Isn't this a
> weight gain over just the 8 oz pad?No... it is lighter, (You really don't have just an 8 oz pad...and
it is not wide enough by your comments above) see the above inserted
comments on weight.
> - the underquilt appears to solve the 2 issues I have with mycurrent
> setup - the width of the pad, and the trickiness of having severallayers of
> pads.... I assume it's also more comfortable than the pads. Isthis
> So - my dilemma! Do I have to carry more weight to solve my
> I've thought through this, I've concluded that perhaps my best betwould be
> to go with the Speer 4x4 SPE, with 2 closed cell foam pads. Iactually
> carry less weight (12 ozs if I'm calculating correctly), solve thefirst
> issue completely and mostly solve the second....Yes, The SPE is a great product for organizing multiple pads and pad
> Am I missing something?
wings...Adequate pad thickness and lengths for these ranges are as
heavy or heavier... based on the model of pads, TR or DAMs and
number of wing section pieces selected. Determine the pads for you
for a given range and add them up... except for the minimal summer
set ups the weight will come to more, in some cases much more than
your stated 12 oz... It is true that for the weight this approach
retains pads for a go to ground capability, which some will find
If I'm thinking correctly here, why are the
> underquilts so popular?They really are very light, if not the lightest alternative... they
almost always win in less bulk... and, most importantly, there is
more comfort and freedom in a hammock with nothng but you and your
top cover in the hammock...
That said, you do not have a comfortable go to ground option that
retained pads alone, or in SPE, provide.
Note, I'm biased as an under quilt designer and maker....Just my
0.02 to keep the apples to apples discussion a more realistic
Jack aka peter_pan
> Thanks for your input!
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