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• Ludo- My Universe Model consists of: 1. A circle track for a steel ball to roll in. This track is tilted from horizontal slightly, so that the ball will settle
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Ludo-

My Universe Model consists of:

1. A circle track for a steel ball to roll in. This track is tilted
from horizontal slightly, so that the ball will settle at the low
point.
2. A disk magnet offset from center in the middle of the track. This
helps pull the magnet to the top. If you consider 0 degrees the
positive X-axis, and 90 degrees the positive y-axis, then the magnet
is offset around the 95 degree mark, with the low point of the track
at the 270 degree mark.
3. A ring of magnets directly above the track which helps reduce the
force of gravity at all points on the ball path. The interesting part
is this: The plain in which these magnets are oriented is first
aligned parallel to the track plain, and then shimmed up at the 180
degree mark.

Like I mentioned before, this is nothing more than a curved SMOT. I'm
just sure this can work, and so I release this idea saddly to the
public, since I have not gotten it to work yet. I would have liked to
have positive results to release as well.

When you plot all of the forces individually (use x-axis as the
position on the track in radians----use y-axis as the force acting on
the ball--forces that help the ball move forward are positive, forces
that hinder the ball are negative), you get some interesting sine
looking waves. Then when you sum them, you have positive directional
forces on ALMOST the entire revolution of the ball. The one spot
where you don't depends upon the weight of the ball and velocity of
the rotation to get past this spot.

I hope you try this. After working with it a while, you will see how
directly this relates to the oscillation of a cone.

Mike Mo.

--- In hameltech@egroups.com, "Ludo Willems" <willems_segers@p...>
wrote:
> Mike,
> This looks very promessing, if you have plans please let me know,
I'd like
> to do some experimenting myself
> Regards,
> Ludo
> Belgium
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Morrissey <mjm500@e...>
> To: <hameltech@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 3:34 PM
> Subject: [hameltech] Geometry/Weight Cone Testing
>
>
> > After many attempts at the Universe Model, I have decided that a
> > single cone should oscillate perpetually outside the drum by
using a
> > fixed base and a top rejection magnet at a slight tilt.
> >
> > My theory suggests that the driving force of the cones is purely
> > gravitational momentum, with a momentum 'kick' through the tough
spot
> > on the rejection magnet. This is nothing more than a curved SMOT.
> >
> > To work, the rejection magnet should be at a slight tilt, to boost
> > the gravitational force on the tilted cone at one spot on the
> > oscillation. The WEIGHT of the cone times the cosine of the tilt
> > angle times the rim radius gives you the angular momentum factor.
> > This is then multiplied by the velocity (v) of the oscillation =
> > ANGULAR MOMENTUM. This is the force that gets the cone past the
> > tough spot on the rejection magent.
> >
> > So you can see that a wider cone will produce a larger angular
> > momentum. So will the weight of the rim, and the angle of tilt.
You
> > must balance these factors to get the single cone to oscillate
> > perpetually, given an initial starting oscillation at the minimum
> > velocity(v). If you can't do this with a single cone, your cone
> > design will not work in the 3CD either.
> >
> > Of course, the single cone will not produce energy effects, but it
> > should show perpetual motion. Understanding the driving force of a
> > single cone is critical when trying to get three cones to work
> > together inside a drum.
> >
> > Suggestion---Experiment with different tilts of the rejection
magnet
> > in your 3CD's. Start with just a bit of sheet metal to shim one
edge
> > of the lid magnet on one side. Then add more and more thicknesses
to
> > the shim. I'm betting that the required shim for starting a
machine
> > is greater that the required shim for a machine at full speed. So
> > ideally, you should try to design an adjustable tilting rejection
> > magnet. This way, after you start your 3CD you can slowly flatten
out
> > the rejection magnet.
> >
> > Mike Mo.
> >
> >
> >
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