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  • PICO Tech
    Matt How did that set work out? Working with Dave Lowrance and we think there might be a sizing issue about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron
    Message 1 of 19 , Jan 17, 2008
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      Matt
      How did that set work out?  Working with Dave Lowrance and we think there might be a sizing issue
      about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron or aluminum rod at 15 and 3/16ths in. long.
      Not at all sure what happens in stainless, probably not the same. There are 9 nodes along that length
      including the ends, and eight segments. Each of the divisions in single or multiple are quite strong
      This is a phi thing so for cones, the height would be 15-3/16  and the angle at the point 36 degrees,
      leaving 72 degrees at the top. The inner cone would sit at 1/2 of the vertical height. I did the math for
      the width - 9.864 inches but you probably want to check the math.  An easy start might just be to
      check out the rod - folks are making it from iron rebar tie wire or aluminum rod.
      Anyway we are all looking for a way to make this work easier - so for what its worth, there you go.
      Dell

      ----- Original Message ----
      From: demondoppel <mattihorn@...>
      To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:47:31 AM
      Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress

      Hi Dell,

      yup. The single cone is about 17 inches in height by 11 inches in
      diameter. The containment ring is 15 inches diameter on the outside
      (the keeper ring on the frame).

      Matt

      --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...> wrote:
      >
      > Matt
      > Did you ever build any cones that were about 15" in height?
      > Dell
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----
      > From: Randolph <randolph@.. .>
      > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
      > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 2:43:30 PM
      > Subject: [hameltech] proof of concept
      >
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      > http://peswiki. com/index. php/Directory: OC_MPMM_Magnet_ Motor
      >
      >
      >
      > I wish that he had measured the electric field from his device at
      nearly
      >
      > 5000RPM.
      >
      > Perpetual motion or not, it's practical. Imagine the electric
      field put
      >
      > out by a bigger, more sophisticated device based on sacred geometry.
      >
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      > Cheers,
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    • demondoppel
      Hi Dell: So far, all the cones...which are proportioning down from the 17 inch cone to about 6.5 inch (the top cone). I haven t been doing anything with
      Message 2 of 19 , Jan 17, 2008
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        Hi Dell:

        So far, all the cones...which are proportioning down from the '17
        inch' cone to about 6.5 inch (the top cone).
        I haven't been doing anything with them...they are 'resting'. I have
        been struggling with the bottom issue. It's the bottom that is
        getting the best of me.
        I haven't been spending much time with the machine, but I have been
        thinking and looking over the pyramids, David's knowledge, sacred
        geometry and the like.

        natural energizing? Is this like a natural vibration? or something to
        do with energy passing through it?
        9 nodes, including the ends, would give 7 nodes inside the rod, and
        therefore 8 sections. This sounds like standing wave nodal points,
        which are basically frequency nodes. A wavelength is occurring across
        the rod.

        38.57 centimeters = 15 - 3/16
        node points are 4.82 centimeters or 1.89 inches. That is a pretty
        high frequency...into the gigahertz.

        I think stainless is more dense than regular steel...but hardness
        would tend to fall toward stainless...unless steel is tempered...or
        if you have tempered stainless (!).

        There are various things about the 3CD which give it overunity in
        design aspect. A great deal of overunity specifics.
        So I see where you are getting at...another OVERUNITY design
        aspect...perhaps, if you use a certain length.
        The rod, is a straight rod. A cone is sheet metal what is designed
        through the pie-chart type thing. There is no rod going straight
        through the cone, physically, so conditions of this natural
        resonance, will probably not occur. Perhaps the skin it's self on the
        outside?

        Matt



        --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@...> wrote:
        >
        > Matt
        > How did that set work out? Working with Dave Lowrance and we think
        there might be a sizing issue
        > about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron or
        aluminum rod at 15 and 3/16ths in. long.
        > Not at all sure what happens in stainless, probably not the same.
        There are 9 nodes along that length
        > including the ends, and eight segments. Each of the divisions in
        single or multiple are quite strong
        > This is a phi thing so for cones, the height would be 15-3/16 and
        the angle at the point 36 degrees,
        > leaving 72 degrees at the top. The inner cone would sit at 1/2 of
        the vertical height. I did the math for
        > the width - 9.864 inches but you probably want to check the math.
        An easy start might just be to
        > check out the rod - folks are making it from iron rebar tie wire or
        aluminum rod.
        > Anyway we are all looking for a way to make this work easier - so
        for what its worth, there you go.
        > Dell
        >
        > ----- Original Message ----
        > From: demondoppel <mattihorn@...>
        > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:47:31 AM
        > Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Hi Dell,
        >
        >
        >
        > yup. The single cone is about 17 inches in height by 11 inches in
        >
        > diameter. The containment ring is 15 inches diameter on the outside
        >
        > (the keeper ring on the frame).
        >
        >
        >
        > Matt
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...>
        wrote:
        >
        > >
        >
        > > Matt
        >
        > > Did you ever build any cones that were about 15" in height?
        >
        > > Dell
        >
        > >
        >
        > > ----- Original Message ----
        >
        > > From: Randolph <randolph@ .>
        >
        > > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
        >
        > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 2:43:30 PM
        >
        > > Subject: [hameltech] proof of concept
        >
        > >
        >
        > >
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        > >
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        > >
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        > >
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        > >
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        > >
        >
        > >
        >
        > > Al Setalokin provides proof of concept of an all
        >
        > magnetic motor
        >
        > >
        >
        > > http://peswiki. com/index. php/Directory: OC_MPMM_Magnet_ Motor
        >
        > >
        >
        > >
        >
        > >
        >
        > > I wish that he had measured the electric field from his device at
        >
        > nearly
        >
        > >
        >
        > > 5000RPM.
        >
        > >
        >
        > > Perpetual motion or not, it's practical. Imagine the electric
        >
        > field put
        >
        > >
        >
        > > out by a bigger, more sophisticated device based on sacred
        geometry.
        >
        > >
        >
        > >
        >
        > >
        >
        > > Cheers,
        >
        > >
        >
        > >
        >
        > >
        >
        > > Hplodnar
        >
        > >
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        Matt, Well we are all looking for clues to this. As you say 15-3/16 or any multiple of 1.89 inches will do - so 17.0775 would be pretty close to your cone
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          Matt,
          Well we are all looking for clues to this. As you say 15-3/16 or any multiple of 1.89 inches
          will do - so 17.0775 would be pretty close to your cone height.  Might be winner Matt.

          Yes natural energizing, you feel it as a golden light at the third eye - very radiant
          In playing with this a bit we found that it will migrate out into a triangle of rods.
          That was how we got to cones and back to David's work.
          I dont think it matters about what is physically down the middle of the cone as this is really
          a vibration or wave. You would want to hook the next cone onto any of the node points - half is the 5th but you could go to the 6th (higher) if you wanted to do that. The most important thing is not to break the multiples. 
          If you try the rods, make 3 of them and park them into a triangle when not in use or when it gets too strong. You can see the parallel to chakras. Probably not too far back to the tree of life ;)

          Dell
          ....


          I haven't been spending much time with the machine, but I have been
          thinking and looking over the pyramids, David's knowledge, sacred
          geometry and the like.


          natural energizing? Is this like a natural vibration? or something to
          do with energy passing through it?
          9 nodes, including the ends, would give 7 nodes inside the rod, and
          therefore 8 sections. This sounds like standing wave nodal points,
          which are basically frequency nodes. A wavelength is occurring across
          the rod.

          38.57 centimeters = 15 - 3/16
          node points are 4.82 centimeters or 1.89 inches. That is a pretty
          high frequency... into the gigahertz.

          I think stainless is more dense than regular steel...but hardness
          would tend to fall toward stainless... unless steel is tempered...or
          if you have tempered stainless (!).

          There are various things about the 3CD which give it overunity in
          design aspect. A great deal of overunity specifics.
          So I see where you are getting at...another OVERUNITY design
          aspect...perhaps, if you use a certain length.
          The rod, is a straight rod. A cone is sheet metal what is designed
          through the pie-chart type thing. There is no rod going straight
          through the cone, physically, so conditions of this natural
          resonance, will probably not occur. Perhaps the skin it's self on the
          outside?

          Matt

          --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...> wrote:
          >
          > Matt
          > How did that set work out? Working with Dave Lowrance and we think
          there might be a sizing issue
          > about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron or
          aluminum rod at 15 and 3/16ths in. long.
          > Not at all sure what happens in stainless, probably not the same.
          There are 9 nodes along that length
          > including the ends, and eight segments. Each of the divisions in
          single or multiple are quite strong
          > This is a phi thing so for cones, the height would be 15-3/16 and
          the angle at the point 36 degrees,
          > leaving 72 degrees at the top. The inner cone would sit at 1/2 of
          the vertical height. I did the math for
          > the width - 9.864 inches but you probably want to check the math.
          An easy start might just be to
          > check out the rod - folks are making it from iron rebar tie wire or
          aluminum rod.
          > Anyway we are all looking for a way to make this work easier - so
          for what its worth, there you go.
          > Dell
          >
          > ----- Original Message ----
          > From: demondoppel <mattihorn@. ..>
          > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
          > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:47:31 AM
          > Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress
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          > Hi Dell,
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          >
          > yup. The single cone is about 17 inches in height by 11 inches in
          >
          > diameter. The containment ring is 15 inches diameter on the outside
          >
          > (the keeper ring on the frame).
          >
          >
          >
          > Matt
          >
          >
          >
          > --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...>
          wrote:
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          > > Matt
          >
          > > Did you ever build any cones that were about 15" in height?
          >
          > > Dell
          >
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          Matt Think about the overall height of your cones and where the bottom osc is in relation to the multiples we talked about (maybe the other cones too?). I
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            Matt
            Think about the overall height of your cones and where the bottom osc is in relation to the multiples we talked about  (maybe the other cones too?). I still think a 3 ball bottom is ok if they are in pent star form, not in equilateral
            Dell

            ----- Original Message ----
            From: demondoppel <mattihorn@...>
            To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:19:31 PM
            Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress

            Hi Dell:

            So far, all the cones...which are proportioning down from the '17
            inch' cone to about 6.5 inch (the top cone).
            I haven't been doing anything with them...they are 'resting'. I have
            been struggling with the bottom issue. It's the bottom that is
            getting the best of me.
            I haven't been spending much time with the machine, but I have been
            thinking and looking over the pyramids, David's knowledge, sacred
            geometry and the like.

            natural energizing? Is this like a natural vibration? or something to
            do with energy passing through it?
            9 nodes, including the ends, would give 7 nodes inside the rod, and
            therefore 8 sections. This sounds like standing wave nodal points,
            which are basically frequency nodes. A wavelength is occurring across
            the rod.

            38.57 centimeters = 15 - 3/16
            node points are 4.82 centimeters or 1.89 inches. That is a pretty
            high frequency... into the gigahertz.

            I think stainless is more dense than regular steel...but hardness
            would tend to fall toward stainless... unless steel is tempered...or
            if you have tempered stainless (!).

            There are various things about the 3CD which give it overunity in
            design aspect. A great deal of overunity specifics.
            So I see where you are getting at...another OVERUNITY design
            aspect...perhaps, if you use a certain length.
            The rod, is a straight rod. A cone is sheet metal what is designed
            through the pie-chart type thing. There is no rod going straight
            through the cone, physically, so conditions of this natural
            resonance, will probably not occur. Perhaps the skin it's self on the
            outside?

            Matt

            --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...> wrote:
            >
            > Matt
            > How did that set work out? Working with Dave Lowrance and we think
            there might be a sizing issue
            > about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron or
            aluminum rod at 15 and 3/16ths in. long.
            > Not at all sure what happens in stainless, probably not the same.
            There are 9 nodes along that length
            > including the ends, and eight segments. Each of the divisions in
            single or multiple are quite strong
            > This is a phi thing so for cones, the height would be 15-3/16 and
            the angle at the point 36 degrees,
            > leaving 72 degrees at the top. The inner cone would sit at 1/2 of
            the vertical height. I did the math for
            > the width - 9.864 inches but you probably want to check the math.
            An easy start might just be to
            > check out the rod - folks are making it from iron rebar tie wire or
            aluminum rod.
            > Anyway we are all looking for a way to make this work easier - so
            for what its worth, there you go.
            > Dell
            >
            > ----- Original Message ----
            > From: demondoppel <mattihorn@. ..>
            > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
            > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:47:31 AM
            > Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
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            >
            > Hi Dell,
            >
            >
            >
            > yup. The single cone is about 17 inches in height by 11 inches in
            >
            > diameter. The containment ring is 15 inches diameter on the outside
            >
            > (the keeper ring on the frame).
            >
            >
            >
            > Matt
            >
            >
            >
            > --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...>
            wrote:
            >
            > >
            >
            > > Matt
            >
            > > Did you ever build any cones that were about 15" in height?
            >
            > > Dell
            >
            > >
            >
            > > ----- Original Message ----
            >
            > > From: Randolph <randolph@ .>
            >
            > > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
            >
            > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 2:43:30 PM
            >
            > > Subject: [hameltech] proof of concept
            >
            > >
            >
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          • demondoppel
            Hi Dell and all: the over cone height (all cones put together as if put in the machine), are standing approx 20 inches. The bottom and middle cone have a
            Message 5 of 19 , Jan 18, 2008
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              Hi Dell and all:

              the over cone height (all cones put together as if put in the
              machine), are standing approx 20 inches.
              The bottom and middle cone have a separation (the rim of the cone)
              which is 2 inches. The middle to top cone has as a separation of
              1.236.

              Everything is multiples, so far. That is how everything is understood
              for my work. It bounces from phi geometry to the geometry of the
              square. Yet the connection is purely numbers/mathematical in nature.

              Matt



              --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@...> wrote:
              >
              > Matt
              > Think about the overall height of your cones and where the bottom
              osc is in relation to the multiples we talked about (maybe the other
              cones too?). I still think a 3 ball bottom is ok if they are in pent
              star form, not in equilateral
              > Dell
              >
              > ----- Original Message ----
              > From: demondoppel <mattihorn@...>
              > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:19:31 PM
              > Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Hi Dell:
              >
              >
              >
              > So far, all the cones...which are proportioning down from the '17
              >
              > inch' cone to about 6.5 inch (the top cone).
              >
              > I haven't been doing anything with them...they are 'resting'. I
              have
              >
              > been struggling with the bottom issue. It's the bottom that is
              >
              > getting the best of me.
              >
              > I haven't been spending much time with the machine, but I have been
              >
              > thinking and looking over the pyramids, David's knowledge, sacred
              >
              > geometry and the like.
              >
              >
              >
              > natural energizing? Is this like a natural vibration? or something
              to
              >
              > do with energy passing through it?
              >
              > 9 nodes, including the ends, would give 7 nodes inside the rod, and
              >
              > therefore 8 sections. This sounds like standing wave nodal points,
              >
              > which are basically frequency nodes. A wavelength is occurring
              across
              >
              > the rod.
              >
              >
              >
              > 38.57 centimeters = 15 - 3/16
              >
              > node points are 4.82 centimeters or 1.89 inches. That is a pretty
              >
              > high frequency... into the gigahertz.
              >
              >
              >
              > I think stainless is more dense than regular steel...but hardness
              >
              > would tend to fall toward stainless... unless steel is
              tempered...or
              >
              > if you have tempered stainless (!).
              >
              >
              >
              > There are various things about the 3CD which give it overunity in
              >
              > design aspect. A great deal of overunity specifics.
              >
              > So I see where you are getting at...another OVERUNITY design
              >
              > aspect...perhaps, if you use a certain length.
              >
              > The rod, is a straight rod. A cone is sheet metal what is designed
              >
              > through the pie-chart type thing. There is no rod going straight
              >
              > through the cone, physically, so conditions of this natural
              >
              > resonance, will probably not occur. Perhaps the skin it's self on
              the
              >
              > outside?
              >
              >
              >
              > Matt
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...>
              wrote:
              >
              > >
              >
              > > Matt
              >
              > > How did that set work out? Working with Dave Lowrance and we
              think
              >
              > there might be a sizing issue
              >
              > > about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron or
              >
              > aluminum rod at 15 and 3/16ths in. long.
              >
              > > Not at all sure what happens in stainless, probably not the same.
              >
              > There are 9 nodes along that length
              >
              > > including the ends, and eight segments. Each of the divisions in
              >
              > single or multiple are quite strong
              >
              > > This is a phi thing so for cones, the height would be 15-3/16
              and
              >
              > the angle at the point 36 degrees,
              >
              > > leaving 72 degrees at the top. The inner cone would sit at 1/2 of
              >
              > the vertical height. I did the math for
              >
              > > the width - 9.864 inches but you probably want to check the
              math.
              >
              > An easy start might just be to
              >
              > > check out the rod - folks are making it from iron rebar tie wire
              or
              >
              > aluminum rod.
              >
              > > Anyway we are all looking for a way to make this work easier - so
              >
              > for what its worth, there you go.
              >
              > > Dell
              >
              > >
              >
              > > ----- Original Message ----
              >
              > > From: demondoppel <mattihorn@ ..>
              >
              > > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
              >
              > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:47:31 AM
              >
              > > Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress
              >
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              > > Hi Dell,
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > yup. The single cone is about 17 inches in height by 11 inches in
              >
              > >
              >
              > > diameter. The containment ring is 15 inches diameter on the
              outside
              >
              > >
              >
              > > (the keeper ring on the frame).
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > Matt
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...>
              >
              > wrote:
              >
              > >
              >
              > > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > Matt
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > Did you ever build any cones that were about 15" in height?
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > Dell
              >
              > >
              >
              > > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > ----- Original Message ----
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > From: Randolph <randolph@ .>
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 2:43:30 PM
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > Subject: [hameltech] proof of concept
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              > > > Al Setalokin provides proof of concept of an all
              >
              > >
              >
              > > magnetic motor
              >
              > >
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              > > >
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              > >
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              > > > http://peswiki. com/index. php/Directory: OC_MPMM_Magnet_ Motor
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              > > > I wish that he had measured the electric field from his device
              at
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              > > > 5000RPM.
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              > > > Perpetual motion or not, it's practical. Imagine the electric
              >
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              > > > out by a bigger, more sophisticated device based on sacred
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              > > > Cheers,
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              > > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font- family:Arial; margin:14px
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              > >
              >
              > > 0px;padding: 0px 14px;}
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              > >
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              > > > #ygrp-mkp hr{
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              > > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}
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              > >
              >
              > > > color:#628c2a; font-size: 85%;font- weight:bold; line-
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              > >
              >
              > > height:122%; margin:10px 0px;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-mkp #ads{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > margin-bottom: 10px;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-mkp .ad{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > padding:0 0;}
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              > >
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              > > > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > color:#0000ff; text-decoration: none;}
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              > >
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              > > > -->
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              > >
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              > >
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              > > >
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              > >
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              > > >
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              > >
              >
              > > > <!--
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              > >
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              > > >
              >
              > >
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              > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{
              >
              > >
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              > > > font-family: Arial;}
              >
              > >
              >
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              >
              > >
              >
              > > > margin:10px 0px;font-weight: bold;font- size:78%; line-height:
              >
              > 122%;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > margin-bottom: 10px;padding: 0 0;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > -->
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              > > >
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              > > >
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              > > > <!--
              >
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              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica,
              >
              > clean,
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              > >
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              > >
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              > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;}
              >
              > >
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              > > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica,
              >
              > >
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              > > clean, sans-serif;}
              >
              > >
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              > > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}
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              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;}
              >
              > >
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              >
              > >
              >
              > > > font-family: Georgia;
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              > >
              >
              > > > }
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              >
              > > > #ygrp-text p{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > margin:0 0 1em 0;}
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              > >
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              > > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > font-family: Arial;
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > clear:both;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-vitnav{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin:
              0;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-vitnav a{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > padding:0 1px;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-actbar{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text-
              >
              > >
              >
              > > align:right; }
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-actbar .left{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; }
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > .bld{font-weight: bold;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-grft{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-ft{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666;
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > padding:5px 0;
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > }
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > padding-bottom: 10px;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-vital{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0
              8px
              >
              > 8px;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold;
              >
              > color:#333; text-
              >
              > >
              >
              > > transform:uppercase ;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-vital ul{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-vital ul li{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee;
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > }
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text-
              >
              > >
              >
              > > align:right; padding-right: .5em;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > font-weight: bold;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-vital a{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > text-decoration: none;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > text-decoration: underline; }
              >
              > >
              >
              > > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > color:#999;font- size:77%; }
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:
              20px;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; }
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > padding:8px 0;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-
              >
              > >
              >
              > > size:100%;line- height:122% ;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > text-decoration: none;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > text-decoration: underline; }
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > margin:0;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > o{font-size: 0;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > .MsoNormal{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > margin:0 0 0 0;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > #ygrp-text tt{
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > font-size:120% ;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > .replbq{margin: 4;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > -->
              >
              > >
              >
              > > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > >
              >
              > >
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              > > >
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              > > >
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              > > >
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              > > >
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              > >
              >
              > > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
              >
              > >
              >
              > > ____________ __
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
              >
              > >
              >
              > > > http://www.yahoo. com/r/hs
              >
              > >
              >
              > > >
              >
              > >
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              > >
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              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > <!--
              >
              > >
              >
              > > #ygrp-mkp{
              >
              > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font- family:Arial; margin:14px
              >
              > 0px;padding: 0px 14px;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-mkp hr{
              >
              > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-mkp #hd{
              >
              > > color:#628c2a; font-size: 85%;font- weight:bold; line-
              >
              > height:122%; margin:10px 0px;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-mkp #ads{
              >
              > > margin-bottom: 10px;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-mkp .ad{
              >
              > > padding:0 0;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{
              >
              > > color:#0000ff; text-decoration: none;}
              >
              > > -->
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > <!--
              >
              > >
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{
              >
              > > font-family: Arial;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{
              >
              > > margin:10px 0px;font-weight: bold;font- size:78%; line-height:
              122%;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{
              >
              > > margin-bottom: 10px;padding: 0 0;}
              >
              > > -->
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > > <!--
              >
              > >
              >
              > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica,
              clean,
              >
              > sans-serif;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica,
              >
              > clean, sans-serif;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-text{
              >
              > > font-family: Georgia;
              >
              > > }
              >
              > > #ygrp-text p{
              >
              > > margin:0 0 1em 0;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{
              >
              > > font-family: Arial;
              >
              > > clear:both;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-vitnav{
              >
              > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-vitnav a{
              >
              > > padding:0 1px;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-actbar{
              >
              > > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text-
              >
              > align:right; }
              >
              > > #ygrp-actbar .left{
              >
              > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; }
              >
              > > .bld{font-weight: bold;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-grft{
              >
              > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-ft{
              >
              > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666;
              >
              > > padding:5px 0;
              >
              > > }
              >
              > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{
              >
              > > padding-bottom: 10px;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > #ygrp-vital{
              >
              > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px
              8px;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{
              >
              > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold;
              color:#333; text-
              >
              > transform:uppercase ;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-vital ul{
              >
              > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-vital ul li{
              >
              > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee;
              >
              > > }
              >
              > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{
              >
              > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text-
              >
              > align:right; padding-right: .5em;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{
              >
              > > font-weight: bold;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-vital a{
              >
              > > text-decoration: none;}
              >
              > >
              >
              > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{
              >
              > > text-decoration: underline; }
              >
              > >
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{
              >
              > > color:#999;font- size:77%; }
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{
              >
              > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{
              >
              > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; }
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{
              >
              > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{
              >
              > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{
              >
              > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{
              >
              > > padding:8px 0;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{
              >
              > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-
              >
              > size:100%;line- height:122% ;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{
              >
              > > text-decoration: none;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{
              >
              > > text-decoration: underline; }
              >
              > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{
              >
              > > margin:0;}
              >
              > > o{font-size: 0;}
              >
              > > .MsoNormal{
              >
              > > margin:0 0 0 0;}
              >
              > > #ygrp-text tt{
              >
              > > font-size:120% ;}
              >
              > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;}
              >
              > > .replbq{margin: 4;}
              >
              > > -->
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > >
              >
              > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
              >
              > ____________ __
              >
              > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
              >
              > > http://www.yahoo. com/r/hs
              >
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > <!--
              >
              > #ygrp-mkp{
              > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px
              0px;padding:0px 14px;}
              > #ygrp-mkp hr{
              > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}
              > #ygrp-mkp #hd{
              > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-
              height:122%;margin:10px 0px;}
              > #ygrp-mkp #ads{
              > margin-bottom:10px;}
              > #ygrp-mkp .ad{
              > padding:0 0;}
              > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{
              > color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
              > -->
              >
              >
              >
              > <!--
              >
              > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{
              > font-family:Arial;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{
              > margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{
              > margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}
              > -->
              >
              >
              >
              > <!--
              >
              > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean,
              sans-serif;}
              > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}
              > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica,
              clean, sans-serif;}
              > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}
              > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}
              > #ygrp-text{
              > font-family:Georgia;
              > }
              > #ygrp-text p{
              > margin:0 0 1em 0;}
              > #ygrp-tpmsgs{
              > font-family:Arial;
              > clear:both;}
              > #ygrp-vitnav{
              > padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;}
              > #ygrp-vitnav a{
              > padding:0 1px;}
              > #ygrp-actbar{
              > clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-
              align:right;}
              > #ygrp-actbar .left{
              > float:left;white-space:nowrap;}
              > .bld{font-weight:bold;}
              > #ygrp-grft{
              > font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;}
              > #ygrp-ft{
              > font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666;
              > padding:5px 0;
              > }
              > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{
              > padding-bottom:10px;}
              >
              > #ygrp-vital{
              > background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;}
              > #ygrp-vital #vithd{
              > font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-
              transform:uppercase;}
              > #ygrp-vital ul{
              > padding:0;margin:2px 0;}
              > #ygrp-vital ul li{
              > list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee;
              > }
              > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{
              > font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-
              align:right;padding-right:.5em;}
              > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{
              > font-weight:bold;}
              > #ygrp-vital a{
              > text-decoration:none;}
              >
              > #ygrp-vital a:hover{
              > text-decoration:underline;}
              >
              > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{
              > color:#999;font-size:77%;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{
              > padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{
              > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{
              > list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{
              > text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{
              > background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{
              > padding:8px 0;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{
              > font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-
              size:100%;line-height:122%;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{
              > text-decoration:none;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{
              > text-decoration:underline;}
              > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{
              > margin:0;}
              > o{font-size:0;}
              > .MsoNormal{
              > margin:0 0 0 0;}
              > #ygrp-text tt{
              > font-size:120%;}
              > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;}
              > .replbq{margin:4;}
              > -->
              >
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              ______________________________________________________________________
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            • demondoppel
              ???? This is old, does anyone know about this? I d like to see it. Thanks Matt ... that
              Message 6 of 19 , Apr 15, 2008
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                ????

                This is old, does anyone know about this? I'd like to see it.

                Thanks
                Matt

                --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, Muska692@... wrote:
                >
                > Hey guys, look at Bryan St. Clair's website and past posts. His M3CD
                that
                > works only has 1 ball in the oscillator.
                >
                > -Matthew Martin
                >
              • GeoffreyP
                did you take pictures of this ? if not could you? Where did you buy the magnets from?
                Message 7 of 19 , Jan 19, 2010
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                  did you take pictures of this ? if not could you? Where did you buy the magnets from?

                  --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "homekiwi" <arthorp@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Hello all,
                  >
                  > Finally I have the first cone balanced in place, and have some
                  > questions for the techies that have already built a 3CD:
                  >
                  > What is 'normal' for weight added to the cone to stop it floating out
                  > of the top of the rim repulsion field? My cone uses domino magnets
                  > around the rim, and I had to remove every second pair on the cone (2
                  > magnets, 2 spaces, 2magnets etc.) because the force of all of them
                  > was so strong. Even so, it still needs around 2kg weight on top of it
                  > to keep it down.
                  >
                  > Has anyone managed to get their lower cone to balance on the
                  > oscillator without the attraction magnets in the oscillator base?
                  > Presently, without the magnets in place the oscillator wants to let
                  > the cone tip-over and prefers to sit against the stops that I have
                  > put on it to prevent collapse. There is no point where it is happy to
                  > sit because the forces are unbalanced, and adding the lower magnet
                  > set restores the balance.
                  >
                  > What sort of motion should the lowest cone make? Presently it prefers
                  > to move with its centre line scribing a circle vertically rather than
                  > any sort of tipping motion. This is due to the attraction force of
                  > the lower magnet set being approximately the same as the repulsion
                  > force of the rim magnets.
                  >
                  > Lastly, if the cones scribe a circular motion when in operation,
                  > surely the lowest tip and oscillator will also scribe a circular
                  > motion. If this is so, then the function of the oscillator is only to
                  > allow free horizontal movement while disallowing any vertical
                  > movement, because the motion of each cup/ball set is concentric and
                  > has no rise/fall motion. Further, if the motion is only 1/8", then
                  > any possible effect of vertical movement will be so tiny as to be
                  > almost irrelevant.
                  >
                  > The 'tree of life' drawings show a plain flat oscillator without
                  > cups, and this would also tend to support the idea. If this were
                  > true, then it would make sense to eventually replace the oscillator
                  > with a flywheel that has an 1/8" offset indent for the cone tip, like
                  > the WISGen devices have.
                  >
                  > Thank you kindly for your time to share in the spirit of Hameltech.
                  > Andrew.
                  >
                  >
                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hameltech/files/Andrew%20Thorp/
                  >
                • joesmith@cvctx.com
                  Just to make sure,,,The WIS is the Top (last) part of the device?? Joe in Texas Quoting GeoffreyP : did you take pictures of this ? if not could you? Where did
                  Message 8 of 19 , Jan 21, 2010
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                    Just to make sure,,,The WIS is the Top (last) part of the device??
                    Joe in Texas

                    Quoting GeoffreyP :
                     

                    did you take pictures of this ? if not could you? Where did you buy the magnets from?

                    --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, "homekiwi" > wrote:
                    >
                    > Hello all,
                    >
                    > Finally I have the first cone balanced in place, and have some
                    > questions for the techies that have already built a 3CD:
                    >
                    > What is 'normal' for weight added to the cone to stop it floating out
                    > of the top of the rim repulsion field? My cone uses domino magnets
                    > around the rim, and I had to remove every second pair on the cone (2
                    > magnets, 2 spaces, 2magnets etc.) because the force of all of them
                    > was so strong. Even so, it still needs around 2kg weight on top of it
                    > to keep it down.
                    >
                    > Has anyone managed to get their lower cone to balance on the
                    > oscillator without the attraction magnets in the oscillator base?
                    > Presently, without the magnets in place the oscillator wants to let
                    > the cone tip-over and prefers to sit against the stops that I have
                    > put on it to prevent collapse. There is no point where it is happy to
                    > sit because the forces are unbalanced, and adding the lower magnet
                    > set restores the balance.
                    >
                    > What sort of motion should the lowest cone make? Presently it prefers
                    > to move with its centre line scribing a circle vertically rather than
                    > any sort of tipping motion. This is due to the attraction force of
                    > the lower magnet set being approximately the same as the repulsion
                    > force of the rim magnets.
                    >
                    > Lastly, if the cones scribe a circular motion when in operation,
                    > surely the lowest tip and oscillator will also scribe a circular
                    > motion. If this is so, then the function of the oscillator is only to
                    > allow free horizontal movement while disallowing any vertical
                    > movement, because the motion of each cup/ball set is concentric and
                    > has no rise/fall motion. Further, if the motion is only 1/8", then
                    > any possible effect of vertical movement will be so tiny as to be
                    > almost irrelevant.
                    >
                    > The 'tree of life' drawings show a plain flat oscillator without
                    > cups, and this would also tend to support the idea. If this were
                    > true, then it would make sense to eventually replace the oscillator
                    > with a flywheel that has an 1/8" offset indent for the cone tip, like
                    > the WISGen devices have.
                    >
                    > Thank you kindly for your time to share in the spirit of Hameltech.
                    > Andrew.
                    >
                    >
                    > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/hameltech/ files/Andrew% 20Thorp/
                    >


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