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• Matt How did that set work out? Working with Dave Lowrance and we think there might be a sizing issue about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron
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Matt
How did that set work out?  Working with Dave Lowrance and we think there might be a sizing issue
about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron or aluminum rod at 15 and 3/16ths in. long.
Not at all sure what happens in stainless, probably not the same. There are 9 nodes along that length
including the ends, and eight segments. Each of the divisions in single or multiple are quite strong
This is a phi thing so for cones, the height would be 15-3/16  and the angle at the point 36 degrees,
leaving 72 degrees at the top. The inner cone would sit at 1/2 of the vertical height. I did the math for
the width - 9.864 inches but you probably want to check the math.  An easy start might just be to
check out the rod - folks are making it from iron rebar tie wire or aluminum rod.
Anyway we are all looking for a way to make this work easier - so for what its worth, there you go.
Dell

----- Original Message ----
From: demondoppel <mattihorn@...>
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:47:31 AM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress

Hi Dell,

yup. The single cone is about 17 inches in height by 11 inches in
diameter. The containment ring is 15 inches diameter on the outside
(the keeper ring on the frame).

Matt

--- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...> wrote:
>
> Matt
> Did you ever build any cones that were about 15" in height?
> Dell
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Randolph <randolph@.. .>
> To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 2:43:30 PM
> Subject: [hameltech] proof of concept
>
>
>
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>
>
> Al Setalokin provides proof of concept of an all
magnetic motor
>
> http://peswiki. com/index. php/Directory: OC_MPMM_Magnet_ Motor
>
>
>
> I wish that he had measured the electric field from his device at
nearly
>
> 5000RPM.
>
> Perpetual motion or not, it's practical. Imagine the electric
field put
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> out by a bigger, more sophisticated device based on sacred geometry.
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> Cheers,
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• Hi Dell: So far, all the cones...which are proportioning down from the 17 inch cone to about 6.5 inch (the top cone). I haven t been doing anything with
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Hi Dell:

So far, all the cones...which are proportioning down from the '17
inch' cone to about 6.5 inch (the top cone).
I haven't been doing anything with them...they are 'resting'. I have
been struggling with the bottom issue. It's the bottom that is
getting the best of me.
I haven't been spending much time with the machine, but I have been
thinking and looking over the pyramids, David's knowledge, sacred
geometry and the like.

natural energizing? Is this like a natural vibration? or something to
do with energy passing through it?
9 nodes, including the ends, would give 7 nodes inside the rod, and
therefore 8 sections. This sounds like standing wave nodal points,
which are basically frequency nodes. A wavelength is occurring across
the rod.

38.57 centimeters = 15 - 3/16
node points are 4.82 centimeters or 1.89 inches. That is a pretty
high frequency...into the gigahertz.

I think stainless is more dense than regular steel...but hardness
would tend to fall toward stainless...unless steel is tempered...or
if you have tempered stainless (!).

There are various things about the 3CD which give it overunity in
design aspect. A great deal of overunity specifics.
So I see where you are getting at...another OVERUNITY design
aspect...perhaps, if you use a certain length.
The rod, is a straight rod. A cone is sheet metal what is designed
through the pie-chart type thing. There is no rod going straight
through the cone, physically, so conditions of this natural
resonance, will probably not occur. Perhaps the skin it's self on the
outside?

Matt

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@...> wrote:
>
> Matt
> How did that set work out? Working with Dave Lowrance and we think
there might be a sizing issue
> about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron or
aluminum rod at 15 and 3/16ths in. long.
> Not at all sure what happens in stainless, probably not the same.
There are 9 nodes along that length
> including the ends, and eight segments. Each of the divisions in
single or multiple are quite strong
> This is a phi thing so for cones, the height would be 15-3/16 and
the angle at the point 36 degrees,
> leaving 72 degrees at the top. The inner cone would sit at 1/2 of
the vertical height. I did the math for
> the width - 9.864 inches but you probably want to check the math.
An easy start might just be to
> check out the rod - folks are making it from iron rebar tie wire or
aluminum rod.
> Anyway we are all looking for a way to make this work easier - so
for what its worth, there you go.
> Dell
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: demondoppel <mattihorn@...>
> To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:47:31 AM
> Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress
>
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> Hi Dell,
>
>
>
> yup. The single cone is about 17 inches in height by 11 inches in
>
> diameter. The containment ring is 15 inches diameter on the outside
>
> (the keeper ring on the frame).
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...>
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Matt
>
> > Did you ever build any cones that were about 15" in height?
>
> > Dell
>
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message ----
>
> > From: Randolph <randolph@ .>
>
> > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 2:43:30 PM
>
> > Subject: [hameltech] proof of concept
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Al Setalokin provides proof of concept of an all
>
> magnetic motor
>
> >
>
> > http://peswiki. com/index. php/Directory: OC_MPMM_Magnet_ Motor
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I wish that he had measured the electric field from his device at
>
> nearly
>
> >
>
> > 5000RPM.
>
> >
>
> > Perpetual motion or not, it's practical. Imagine the electric
>
> field put
>
> >
>
> > out by a bigger, more sophisticated device based on sacred
geometry.
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
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> > Cheers,
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• Matt, Well we are all looking for clues to this. As you say 15-3/16 or any multiple of 1.89 inches will do - so 17.0775 would be pretty close to your cone
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Matt,
Well we are all looking for clues to this. As you say 15-3/16 or any multiple of 1.89 inches
will do - so 17.0775 would be pretty close to your cone height.  Might be winner Matt.

Yes natural energizing, you feel it as a golden light at the third eye - very radiant
In playing with this a bit we found that it will migrate out into a triangle of rods.
That was how we got to cones and back to David's work.
I dont think it matters about what is physically down the middle of the cone as this is really
a vibration or wave. You would want to hook the next cone onto any of the node points - half is the 5th but you could go to the 6th (higher) if you wanted to do that. The most important thing is not to break the multiples.
If you try the rods, make 3 of them and park them into a triangle when not in use or when it gets too strong. You can see the parallel to chakras. Probably not too far back to the tree of life ;)

Dell
....

I haven't been spending much time with the machine, but I have been
thinking and looking over the pyramids, David's knowledge, sacred
geometry and the like.

natural energizing? Is this like a natural vibration? or something to
do with energy passing through it?
9 nodes, including the ends, would give 7 nodes inside the rod, and
therefore 8 sections. This sounds like standing wave nodal points,
which are basically frequency nodes. A wavelength is occurring across
the rod.

38.57 centimeters = 15 - 3/16
node points are 4.82 centimeters or 1.89 inches. That is a pretty
high frequency... into the gigahertz.

I think stainless is more dense than regular steel...but hardness
would tend to fall toward stainless... unless steel is tempered...or
if you have tempered stainless (!).

There are various things about the 3CD which give it overunity in
design aspect. A great deal of overunity specifics.
So I see where you are getting at...another OVERUNITY design
aspect...perhaps, if you use a certain length.
The rod, is a straight rod. A cone is sheet metal what is designed
through the pie-chart type thing. There is no rod going straight
through the cone, physically, so conditions of this natural
resonance, will probably not occur. Perhaps the skin it's self on the
outside?

Matt

--- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...> wrote:
>
> Matt
> How did that set work out? Working with Dave Lowrance and we think
there might be a sizing issue
> about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron or
aluminum rod at 15 and 3/16ths in. long.
> Not at all sure what happens in stainless, probably not the same.
There are 9 nodes along that length
> including the ends, and eight segments. Each of the divisions in
single or multiple are quite strong
> This is a phi thing so for cones, the height would be 15-3/16 and
the angle at the point 36 degrees,
> leaving 72 degrees at the top. The inner cone would sit at 1/2 of
the vertical height. I did the math for
> the width - 9.864 inches but you probably want to check the math.
An easy start might just be to
> check out the rod - folks are making it from iron rebar tie wire or
aluminum rod.
> Anyway we are all looking for a way to make this work easier - so
for what its worth, there you go.
> Dell
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: demondoppel <mattihorn@. ..>
> To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:47:31 AM
> Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
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> Hi Dell,
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> yup. The single cone is about 17 inches in height by 11 inches in
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> Matt
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>
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> --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...>
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> > Matt
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> > Did you ever build any cones that were about 15" in height?
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> > Dell
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> >
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> > ----- Original Message ----
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> > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
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> > http://peswiki. com/index. php/Directory: OC_MPMM_Magnet_ Motor
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• Matt Think about the overall height of your cones and where the bottom osc is in relation to the multiples we talked about (maybe the other cones too?). I
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Matt
Think about the overall height of your cones and where the bottom osc is in relation to the multiples we talked about  (maybe the other cones too?). I still think a 3 ball bottom is ok if they are in pent star form, not in equilateral
Dell

----- Original Message ----
From: demondoppel <mattihorn@...>
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:19:31 PM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress

Hi Dell:

So far, all the cones...which are proportioning down from the '17
inch' cone to about 6.5 inch (the top cone).
I haven't been doing anything with them...they are 'resting'. I have
been struggling with the bottom issue. It's the bottom that is
getting the best of me.
I haven't been spending much time with the machine, but I have been
thinking and looking over the pyramids, David's knowledge, sacred
geometry and the like.

natural energizing? Is this like a natural vibration? or something to
do with energy passing through it?
9 nodes, including the ends, would give 7 nodes inside the rod, and
therefore 8 sections. This sounds like standing wave nodal points,
which are basically frequency nodes. A wavelength is occurring across
the rod.

38.57 centimeters = 15 - 3/16
node points are 4.82 centimeters or 1.89 inches. That is a pretty
high frequency... into the gigahertz.

I think stainless is more dense than regular steel...but hardness
would tend to fall toward stainless... unless steel is tempered...or
if you have tempered stainless (!).

There are various things about the 3CD which give it overunity in
design aspect. A great deal of overunity specifics.
So I see where you are getting at...another OVERUNITY design
aspect...perhaps, if you use a certain length.
The rod, is a straight rod. A cone is sheet metal what is designed
through the pie-chart type thing. There is no rod going straight
through the cone, physically, so conditions of this natural
resonance, will probably not occur. Perhaps the skin it's self on the
outside?

Matt

--- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...> wrote:
>
> Matt
> How did that set work out? Working with Dave Lowrance and we think
there might be a sizing issue
> about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron or
aluminum rod at 15 and 3/16ths in. long.
> Not at all sure what happens in stainless, probably not the same.
There are 9 nodes along that length
> including the ends, and eight segments. Each of the divisions in
single or multiple are quite strong
> This is a phi thing so for cones, the height would be 15-3/16 and
the angle at the point 36 degrees,
> leaving 72 degrees at the top. The inner cone would sit at 1/2 of
the vertical height. I did the math for
> the width - 9.864 inches but you probably want to check the math.
An easy start might just be to
> check out the rod - folks are making it from iron rebar tie wire or
aluminum rod.
> Anyway we are all looking for a way to make this work easier - so
for what its worth, there you go.
> Dell
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: demondoppel <mattihorn@. ..>
> To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:47:31 AM
> Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress
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> Hi Dell,
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> yup. The single cone is about 17 inches in height by 11 inches in
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> diameter. The containment ring is 15 inches diameter on the outside
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> (the keeper ring on the frame).
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...>
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Matt
>
> > Did you ever build any cones that were about 15" in height?
>
> > Dell
>
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message ----
>
> > From: Randolph <randolph@ .>
>
> > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 2:43:30 PM
>
> > Subject: [hameltech] proof of concept
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> > http://peswiki. com/index. php/Directory: OC_MPMM_Magnet_ Motor
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> > 5000RPM.
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> > Perpetual motion or not, it's practical. Imagine the electric
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> field put
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> > out by a bigger, more sophisticated device based on sacred
geometry.
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• Hi Dell and all: the over cone height (all cones put together as if put in the machine), are standing approx 20 inches. The bottom and middle cone have a
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Hi Dell and all:

the over cone height (all cones put together as if put in the
machine), are standing approx 20 inches.
The bottom and middle cone have a separation (the rim of the cone)
which is 2 inches. The middle to top cone has as a separation of
1.236.

Everything is multiples, so far. That is how everything is understood
for my work. It bounces from phi geometry to the geometry of the
square. Yet the connection is purely numbers/mathematical in nature.

Matt

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@...> wrote:
>
> Matt
> Think about the overall height of your cones and where the bottom
osc is in relation to the multiples we talked about (maybe the other
cones too?). I still think a 3 ball bottom is ok if they are in pent
star form, not in equilateral
> Dell
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: demondoppel <mattihorn@...>
> To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:19:31 PM
> Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress
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> Hi Dell:
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>
> So far, all the cones...which are proportioning down from the '17
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> inch' cone to about 6.5 inch (the top cone).
>
> I haven't been doing anything with them...they are 'resting'. I
have
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> been struggling with the bottom issue. It's the bottom that is
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> getting the best of me.
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> I haven't been spending much time with the machine, but I have been
>
> thinking and looking over the pyramids, David's knowledge, sacred
>
> geometry and the like.
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>
> natural energizing? Is this like a natural vibration? or something
to
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> do with energy passing through it?
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> 9 nodes, including the ends, would give 7 nodes inside the rod, and
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> therefore 8 sections. This sounds like standing wave nodal points,
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> which are basically frequency nodes. A wavelength is occurring
across
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> the rod.
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> 38.57 centimeters = 15 - 3/16
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> node points are 4.82 centimeters or 1.89 inches. That is a pretty
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> high frequency... into the gigahertz.
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>
> I think stainless is more dense than regular steel...but hardness
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> would tend to fall toward stainless... unless steel is
tempered...or
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> if you have tempered stainless (!).
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>
> There are various things about the 3CD which give it overunity in
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> design aspect. A great deal of overunity specifics.
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> So I see where you are getting at...another OVERUNITY design
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> aspect...perhaps, if you use a certain length.
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> The rod, is a straight rod. A cone is sheet metal what is designed
>
> through the pie-chart type thing. There is no rod going straight
>
> through the cone, physically, so conditions of this natural
>
> resonance, will probably not occur. Perhaps the skin it's self on
the
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> outside?
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>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> --- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, PICO Tech <picotech9999@ ...>
wrote:
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> >
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> > Matt
>
> > How did that set work out? Working with Dave Lowrance and we
think
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> there might be a sizing issue
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> > about the cones. We found a natural energizing of a iron or
>
> aluminum rod at 15 and 3/16ths in. long.
>
> > Not at all sure what happens in stainless, probably not the same.
>
> There are 9 nodes along that length
>
> > including the ends, and eight segments. Each of the divisions in
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> single or multiple are quite strong
>
> > This is a phi thing so for cones, the height would be 15-3/16
and
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> the angle at the point 36 degrees,
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> > leaving 72 degrees at the top. The inner cone would sit at 1/2 of
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> the vertical height. I did the math for
>
> > the width - 9.864 inches but you probably want to check the
math.
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> An easy start might just be to
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> > check out the rod - folks are making it from iron rebar tie wire
or
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> aluminum rod.
>
> > Anyway we are all looking for a way to make this work easier - so
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> for what its worth, there you go.
>
> > Dell
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> >
>
> > ----- Original Message ----
>
> > From: demondoppel <mattihorn@ ..>
>
> > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:47:31 AM
>
> > Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: Building and balancing, progress
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> > yup. The single cone is about 17 inches in height by 11 inches in
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> > > ----- Original Message ----
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> > > From: Randolph <randolph@ .>
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> > > To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
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> > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 2:43:30 PM
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• ???? This is old, does anyone know about this? I d like to see it. Thanks Matt ... that
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????

This is old, does anyone know about this? I'd like to see it.

Thanks
Matt

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, Muska692@... wrote:
>
> Hey guys, look at Bryan St. Clair's website and past posts. His M3CD
that
> works only has 1 ball in the oscillator.
>
> -Matthew Martin
>
• did you take pictures of this ? if not could you? Where did you buy the magnets from?
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did you take pictures of this ? if not could you? Where did you buy the magnets from?

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "homekiwi" <arthorp@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Finally I have the first cone balanced in place, and have some
> questions for the techies that have already built a 3CD:
>
> What is 'normal' for weight added to the cone to stop it floating out
> of the top of the rim repulsion field? My cone uses domino magnets
> around the rim, and I had to remove every second pair on the cone (2
> magnets, 2 spaces, 2magnets etc.) because the force of all of them
> was so strong. Even so, it still needs around 2kg weight on top of it
> to keep it down.
>
> Has anyone managed to get their lower cone to balance on the
> oscillator without the attraction magnets in the oscillator base?
> Presently, without the magnets in place the oscillator wants to let
> the cone tip-over and prefers to sit against the stops that I have
> put on it to prevent collapse. There is no point where it is happy to
> sit because the forces are unbalanced, and adding the lower magnet
> set restores the balance.
>
> What sort of motion should the lowest cone make? Presently it prefers
> to move with its centre line scribing a circle vertically rather than
> any sort of tipping motion. This is due to the attraction force of
> the lower magnet set being approximately the same as the repulsion
> force of the rim magnets.
>
> Lastly, if the cones scribe a circular motion when in operation,
> surely the lowest tip and oscillator will also scribe a circular
> motion. If this is so, then the function of the oscillator is only to
> allow free horizontal movement while disallowing any vertical
> movement, because the motion of each cup/ball set is concentric and
> has no rise/fall motion. Further, if the motion is only 1/8", then
> any possible effect of vertical movement will be so tiny as to be
> almost irrelevant.
>
> The 'tree of life' drawings show a plain flat oscillator without
> cups, and this would also tend to support the idea. If this were
> true, then it would make sense to eventually replace the oscillator
> with a flywheel that has an 1/8" offset indent for the cone tip, like
> the WISGen devices have.
>
> Thank you kindly for your time to share in the spirit of Hameltech.
> Andrew.
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hameltech/files/Andrew%20Thorp/
>
• Just to make sure,,,The WIS is the Top (last) part of the device?? Joe in Texas Quoting GeoffreyP : did you take pictures of this ? if not could you? Where did
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Just to make sure,,,The WIS is the Top (last) part of the device??
Joe in Texas

Quoting GeoffreyP :

did you take pictures of this ? if not could you? Where did you buy the magnets from?

--- In hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com, "homekiwi" > wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Finally I have the first cone balanced in place, and have some
> questions for the techies that have already built a 3CD:
>
> What is 'normal' for weight added to the cone to stop it floating out
> of the top of the rim repulsion field? My cone uses domino magnets
> around the rim, and I had to remove every second pair on the cone (2
> magnets, 2 spaces, 2magnets etc.) because the force of all of them
> was so strong. Even so, it still needs around 2kg weight on top of it
> to keep it down.
>
> Has anyone managed to get their lower cone to balance on the
> oscillator without the attraction magnets in the oscillator base?
> Presently, without the magnets in place the oscillator wants to let
> the cone tip-over and prefers to sit against the stops that I have
> put on it to prevent collapse. There is no point where it is happy to
> sit because the forces are unbalanced, and adding the lower magnet
> set restores the balance.
>
> What sort of motion should the lowest cone make? Presently it prefers
> to move with its centre line scribing a circle vertically rather than
> any sort of tipping motion. This is due to the attraction force of
> the lower magnet set being approximately the same as the repulsion
> force of the rim magnets.
>
> Lastly, if the cones scribe a circular motion when in operation,
> surely the lowest tip and oscillator will also scribe a circular
> motion. If this is so, then the function of the oscillator is only to
> allow free horizontal movement while disallowing any vertical
> movement, because the motion of each cup/ball set is concentric and
> has no rise/fall motion. Further, if the motion is only 1/8", then
> any possible effect of vertical movement will be so tiny as to be
> almost irrelevant.
>
> The 'tree of life' drawings show a plain flat oscillator without
> cups, and this would also tend to support the idea. If this were
> true, then it would make sense to eventually replace the oscillator
> with a flywheel that has an 1/8" offset indent for the cone tip, like
> the WISGen devices have.
>
> Thank you kindly for your time to share in the spirit of Hameltech.
> Andrew.
>
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/hameltech/ files/Andrew% 20Thorp/
>

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