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  • leon broye
    I surpose im going to be cruicified for asking this but here we go, did david ever say when he was show this alien craft, was thier no metion of the type of
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 12, 2006
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      I surpose im going to be cruicified for asking this but here we go, did
      david ever say when he was show this alien craft, was thier no metion of the
      type of matial that was use in thier maim power supply. dont have a go at me
      for asking.


      >From: "demondoppel" <mattihorn@...>
      >Reply-To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
      >To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth busters (WHY STEEL)
      >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:39:21 -0000
      >
      >"stainless steel all the baby".
      >
      >Aluminum is structurally weaker/lighter/lower melting point.
      >
      >Stainless is stronger and higher melting point.
      >
      >Higher melting point materil is required since David recommends that
      >the machine runs at 900C. Aluminum tuhs being a metal to fail.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, Lee Valstad <master_charade@...>
      >wrote:
      > >
      > > I think they are referring to using aluminum for the cones, not the
      >45GD barrell.
      > >
      > > I'm confused now. I thought I that non-magnet stainless was
      >better than aluminum? But Hamel used aluminum???
      > >
      > > Mike <mikefurness2002@...>
      >wrote:
      > > Just a small point here, but in UK, ALL 45 Gallon Drums are made
      >of steel! some fuels and oils corrode aluminium, and it certainly
      >isn't strong enough to contain heavy factions, not sure of my math
      >here, but looks like about 100 pounds weight Minimum!
      > >
      > > Maybe you know something I don't, but just an observation!
      > >
      > > Mike.
      > >
      > > Mike. J. Furness.
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
      >[mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Andrew J. Kenney
      > > Sent: 10 December 2006 22:48
      > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth
      >busters (WHY STEEL)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Whoa Dude!
      > >
      > > No disrespect intended but, go ahead and argue your case of
      >using Aluminum but please, STOP SHOUTING!!!
      > >
      > > Cheers,
      > >
      > > Grizz
      > >
      > >
      > > ---------------------------------
      > >
      > > From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
      >[mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
      > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:43 PM
      > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth
      >busters (WHY STEEL)
      > >
      > >
      > > WHY R U USING STEEL? MR. HAMEL'S 3CD IN A 45
      >GAL. DRUM WAS ALUMINUM?
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > READ THE WEBSITES ON THE BUILDING OF THESE DEVICES.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > CONES SHOULD BE ALUMINUM !!!!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > GO TO THE YAHOO GROUPS WEBPAGE FOR HAMELTECH AND CLICK ON
      >AND READ THE LINKS!!!!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > AN OLDIE BUT A GOLDIE.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > PAT MCBRADY
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > >
      > > From: david
      > >
      > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
      > >
      > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:34 AM
      > >
      > > Subject: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on
      >myth busters
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Field"
      ><master_charade@>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > I just got a call from the treasurer of my antigravity club.
      >He
      > > said
      > > > "Lee, do you have cable tv next to you? You've got to check
      >this
      > > out!"
      > > hello,
      > > i saw the episode. they were very enthusiastic about the
      >project
      > > but were joking and very television(ish)about the whole thing.
      >they
      > > opened crates of prefab parts- i wondered where those came
      >from- and
      > > assembled a 3cd in a 45gd. they used jade, wich i thought was
      >wierd-
      > > Matt? and while the did get some movement from the cones, they
      >never
      > > put the lid on, did not get results and thus deemed it
      >a "myth".
      > > however, the mass exposure of david's work should definately
      >serve
      > > to spark some minds out there. the show also had other
      >familiar
      > > devices showcased. mostly lifters but they used a gravity
      >measuring
      > > device that was pretty cool.
      > > if you missed it, dont worry. it's on cable. it will be shown
      >a
      > > million more times.
      > > regards, david
      > >
      > > >
      > > > I don't know if it's a new episode or what but apparently
      >they
      > > > featured the Hamel device on Myth busters and also lifters.
      >Did
      > > > anybody catch this episode?
      > > >
      > > > My friend told me that once they built it the cones were
      >wobbling
      > > and
      > > > that it was doing what he seemed to think it should do.
      >However, he
      > > > said they didn't do the lid right, like they didn't
      >concentrate the
      > > > magnetic energy enough. Also he said that they made the
      >cones out
      > > of
      > > > alluminum not steel. Well, it makes me glad I'm going with
      >steel.
      > > >
      > > > Anyway, just thought I'd drop the line and see if anybody
      >knew about
      > > > this or had actually seen the episode.
      > > >
      > > > peace-out
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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    • demondoppel
      From what I understand they stated the material used in the wings (the vibrating cone structures) were of similar properties of stainless steel. Perhaps
      Message 2 of 11 , Dec 12, 2006
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        From what I understand they stated the material used in the wings
        (the vibrating cone structures) were of similar properties of
        stainless steel.
        Perhaps something a little more advanced, but nonetheless,
        nonmagnetic. Structurally capable of withstanding the forces applied
        and temperature environment.

        Matt




        --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "leon broye" <lbroye@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > I surpose im going to be cruicified for asking this but here we go,
        did
        > david ever say when he was show this alien craft, was thier no
        metion of the
        > type of matial that was use in thier maim power supply. dont have a
        go at me
        > for asking.
        >
        >
        > >From: "demondoppel" <mattihorn@...>
        > >Reply-To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
        > >To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
        > >Subject: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth busters
        (WHY STEEL)
        > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:39:21 -0000
        > >
        > >"stainless steel all the baby".
        > >
        > >Aluminum is structurally weaker/lighter/lower melting point.
        > >
        > >Stainless is stronger and higher melting point.
        > >
        > >Higher melting point materil is required since David recommends
        that
        > >the machine runs at 900C. Aluminum tuhs being a metal to fail.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, Lee Valstad <master_charade@>
        > >wrote:
        > > >
        > > > I think they are referring to using aluminum for the cones, not
        the
        > >45GD barrell.
        > > >
        > > > I'm confused now. I thought I that non-magnet stainless was
        > >better than aluminum? But Hamel used aluminum???
        > > >
        > > > Mike <mikefurness2002@>
        > >wrote:
        > > > Just a small point here, but in UK, ALL 45 Gallon Drums are
        made
        > >of steel! some fuels and oils corrode aluminium, and it certainly
        > >isn't strong enough to contain heavy factions, not sure of my math
        > >here, but looks like about 100 pounds weight Minimum!
        > > >
        > > > Maybe you know something I don't, but just an observation!
        > > >
        > > > Mike.
        > > >
        > > > Mike. J. Furness.
        > > >
        > > > -----Original Message-----
        > > > From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
        > >[mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Andrew J. Kenney
        > > > Sent: 10 December 2006 22:48
        > > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
        > > > Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth
        > >busters (WHY STEEL)
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Whoa Dude!
        > > >
        > > > No disrespect intended but, go ahead and argue your case
        of
        > >using Aluminum but please, STOP SHOUTING!!!
        > > >
        > > > Cheers,
        > > >
        > > > Grizz
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > ---------------------------------
        > > >
        > > > From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
        > >[mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
        > > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:43 PM
        > > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
        > > > Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth
        > >busters (WHY STEEL)
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > WHY R U USING STEEL? MR. HAMEL'S 3CD IN A 45
        > >GAL. DRUM WAS ALUMINUM?
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > READ THE WEBSITES ON THE BUILDING OF THESE DEVICES.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > CONES SHOULD BE ALUMINUM !!!!
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > GO TO THE YAHOO GROUPS WEBPAGE FOR HAMELTECH AND CLICK
        ON
        > >AND READ THE LINKS!!!!
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > AN OLDIE BUT A GOLDIE.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > PAT MCBRADY
        > > >
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > >
        > > > From: david
        > > >
        > > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
        > > >
        > > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:34 AM
        > > >
        > > > Subject: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on
        > >myth busters
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Field"
        > ><master_charade@>
        > > > wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > I just got a call from the treasurer of my antigravity
        club.
        > >He
        > > > said
        > > > > "Lee, do you have cable tv next to you? You've got to check
        > >this
        > > > out!"
        > > > hello,
        > > > i saw the episode. they were very enthusiastic about the
        > >project
        > > > but were joking and very television(ish)about the whole
        thing.
        > >they
        > > > opened crates of prefab parts- i wondered where those came
        > >from- and
        > > > assembled a 3cd in a 45gd. they used jade, wich i thought
        was
        > >wierd-
        > > > Matt? and while the did get some movement from the cones,
        they
        > >never
        > > > put the lid on, did not get results and thus deemed it
        > >a "myth".
        > > > however, the mass exposure of david's work should definately
        > >serve
        > > > to spark some minds out there. the show also had other
        > >familiar
        > > > devices showcased. mostly lifters but they used a gravity
        > >measuring
        > > > device that was pretty cool.
        > > > if you missed it, dont worry. it's on cable. it will be
        shown
        > >a
        > > > million more times.
        > > > regards, david
        > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > I don't know if it's a new episode or what but apparently
        > >they
        > > > > featured the Hamel device on Myth busters and also
        lifters.
        > >Did
        > > > > anybody catch this episode?
        > > > >
        > > > > My friend told me that once they built it the cones were
        > >wobbling
        > > > and
        > > > > that it was doing what he seemed to think it should do.
        > >However, he
        > > > > said they didn't do the lid right, like they didn't
        > >concentrate the
        > > > > magnetic energy enough. Also he said that they made the
        > >cones out
        > > > of
        > > > > alluminum not steel. Well, it makes me glad I'm going with
        > >steel.
        > > > >
        > > > > Anyway, just thought I'd drop the line and see if anybody
        > >knew about
        > > > > this or had actually seen the episode.
        > > > >
        > > > > peace-out
        > > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > __________________________________________________
        > > > Do You Yahoo!?
        > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
        > > > http://mail.yahoo.com
        > > >
        > >
        > >
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      • Dell Coleman
        Hi I didnt bother to deal with this on Hameltech because there are long discussions of this sort in the archives, but rather than drag stuff over, I ll just
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          Hi
          I didnt bother to deal with this on Hameltech because there are long discussions of this sort in the archives, but
          rather than drag stuff over, I'll just say it here.

          I visited David Hamel in March 2001 and had an hour and a half discussion with him and his wife Nora
          She was the one who received the green buds that kept appearing from nowhere around the house.

          Anyway, David looked at my notes and some drawings and said "You've got it right there". I showed him some weight into speed designs and said - You are past the point of no return, so get building. So I feel I have reasonable qualifications to deal with this.

          He built his device from a 45 gal (Cdn) steel drum, used aluminum bicycle rims for the static magnet rings,
          and radio shack ceramics for the magnets. He used a speaker magnet (Ceramic) for the top and there might be another
          in the bottom (cant remember). The skin he used on the cones was aluminum.

          The fundamental principal is weight into speed, a concept early Egyptians were familiar with - you can see it in the tombs
          and in the Book of the Dead. The concept is what we would call dynamic disequilibrium, and is either a chaotic state or a cousin of it. In practice a ball or sometimes magnetic force is used to disturb an equilibrium condition and make an apparatus move continually through continuance of the disturbance.
          The 3CD device is organized as three cones with edge magnets, stabilized by magnets on the three rings opposite the cones
          There is a bottom oscillator to allow continued movement of the cones and a top rejection magnet to cause the disequilibrium.
          The top rejection is the control mechanism for the 3CD and is totally underestimated in its function.
            


               |    Screw adjustment for height of top rejection magnet
              0    top rejection
              0   cone top rejection
          |   V   |     ring magnets and cone magnets in rejection
          |   V   |     ring magnets and cone magnets in rejection
          |   V   |     ring magnets and cone magnets in rejection
              o         oscillator magnet
              o         oscillator magnet
          ______   oscillator table

          So - In action - the cones attempt to fall over because of gravity. In falling the cone falls into the magnetic rejection of the ring magnets - If it succeeds, the rig needs work. If it fails to crash, it's movement causes the movement of the two lower cones which also try to fall over. They also meet rejection and are pushed away.

          The key to making this work is that the cones are not able to fall into the rings, and the top rejection
          that causes the top cone rejection magnet to squirm. As a simple test, take two magnets in rejection and push them together,
          trying to keep them aligned atop one another. The top rejection must be screw-down adjustable to increase the tension to cause a start, and it _must_ be backed off to avoid destroying the machine once vibration starts.

          Now we have a vibrating mass of steel, aluminum  and magnetic fields that will generate plasma or something of the sort.
          Perfect balance is a killer, as is too much magnetic field that results in stiffness. The total slop needs to be under 1/2 inch ie 1/4 on each side.

          A much simpler design can be built and will work much more easily. You can do this with a coffee can and a few oil funnels

              O      Activation ball -- marble, cue ball, bowling ball depending on size of cones  Remove with a snare ¿
             |__|      Cup that the ball sits in
               |         Support for the cup
             | ^ |      Top cone and rejection magnets - same as the other design
             | ^ |      cone and rejection magnets - same as the other design          
             | ^ |      Bottom cone and rejection magnets - same as the other design
               ^         Support cone - no ring or edge magnets - sits on the ground - top fits inside bottom cone cork

          All Hamel cones are double skin based on root 5 outer, and root 2 or root 3 inner
          The cup is not square sided as shown but is "Eye of Horus shaped" ie parabola or ellipse
          The ball will tend to return to center (and pass by) as the cones vibrate below. (That is a chaotic attractor)

          I have given this design on Hamel forum before but no-one picked up on it.A simple way to make it is to get
          metal oil funnels 6" dia, (plastic will do) a bunch of wine corks and small nails (like picture hanging size)
          For the top piece I would make a fiberglass cup from a horus -eye shaped form. Insert a small rod through the
          cup before finishing, so the rod will fit into the tube of the uppermost cone. Make the three rings and attach the ring and cone magnets. The bottom cone needs no cork or nails or magnets or rings - it is just a support base.

          Place the rings and ring supports in the can. Place the base cone in the supports. Place a cork and nail in the
          inner tube opening of the bottom funnel. Place the nail inside the base support tube. Do the same for the next two cones.
          Place the rod of the cup assembly into the top tube. You are now ready to play. Roll a bead, marble, etc into the cup from the edge to the middle. It may take a pointier top with less friction to actually sustain movement, but I think this will work
          pretty easily. I made all of this except the top piece and it would sustain for fairly long periods just by poking the top cone once in a while. If this spins up you need to control it - have a snare - make from coat hanger -- and have smaller size balls to roll in once it spins up. This isn't organized to control by load, but you must reduce the amount of activation.

          This design is totally analogous to the ship design and way easier to make work.

          Probably more than you ever wanted to know about Hamel stuff but there you go.

          Dell














          David Lowrance wrote:
          I surpose im going to be cruicified for asking this but here we go, did 
          david ever say when he was show this alien craft, was thier no metion of the 
          type of matial that was use in thier maim power supply. dont have a go at me 
          for asking.
          
          
            
          From: "demondoppel" <mattihorn@...>
          Reply-To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
          To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth busters (WHY STEEL)
          Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:39:21 -0000
          
          "stainless steel all the baby".
          
          Aluminum is structurally weaker/lighter/lower melting point.
          
          Stainless is stronger and higher melting point.
          
          Higher melting point materil is required since David recommends that
          the machine runs at 900C. Aluminum tuhs being a metal to fail.
          
          
          
          
          
          --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, Lee Valstad <master_charade@...>
          wrote:
              
          I think they are referring to using aluminum for the cones, not the
                
          45GD barrell.
              
           I'm confused now.  I thought I that non-magnet stainless was
                
          better than aluminum?  But Hamel used aluminum???
              
          Mike <mikefurness2002@...>
                
          wrote:
              
          Just a  small point here, but in UK, ALL 45 Gallon Drums are made
                
          of steel! some fuels  and oils corrode aluminium, and it certainly
          isn't strong enough to contain  heavy factions, not sure of my math
          here, but looks like about 100 pounds weight  Minimum!
              
           Maybe  you know something I don't, but just an observation!
          
           Mike.
          
           Mike.  J. Furness.
          
              -----Original Message-----
          From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
                
          [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Andrew J.    Kenney
              
          Sent: 10 December 2006 22:48
          To:    hameltech@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device    featured on myth
                
          busters (WHY STEEL)
              
          
             Whoa    Dude!
          
             No disrespect    intended but, go ahead and argue your case of
                
          using    Aluminum but please, STOP SHOUTING!!!
              
             Cheers,
          
             Grizz
          
          
          ---------------------------------
          
             From:    hameltech@yahoogroups.com
                
          [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
              
          Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:43    PM
          To:    hameltech@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device    featured on myth
                
          busters (WHY STEEL)
              
                         WHY  R U USING STEEL? MR.    HAMEL'S 3CD IN A 45
                
          GAL. DRUM WAS  ALUMINUM?
              
          
                READ THE WEBSITES ON THE BUILDING    OF THESE DEVICES.
          
          
          
                CONES SHOULD BE ALUMINUM    !!!!
          
          
          
                GO TO THE YAHOO GROUPS WEBPAGE FOR    HAMELTECH AND CLICK ON
                
          AND READ THE LINKS!!!!
              
          
          
          
                AN OLDIE BUT A    GOLDIE.
          
          
          
                PAT    MCBRADY
          
                       ----- Original Message -----
          
                    From: david
          
                    To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
          
                    Sent: Sunday,      December 10, 2006 9:34 AM
          
                    Subject:      [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on
                
          myth      busters
              
          
          
          
          --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com,      "Lee Field"
                
          <master_charade@>
              
          wrote:
                
          I      just got a call from the treasurer of my antigravity club.
                  
          He
              
          said
                
          "Lee, do you have cable tv next to you? You've got to check
                  
          this
              
          out!"
          hello,
          i saw the episode. they were very enthusiastic      about the
                
          project
              
          but were joking and very television(ish)about the      whole thing.
                
          they
              
          opened crates of prefab parts- i wondered where those      came
                
          from- and
              
          assembled a 3cd in a 45gd. they used jade, wich i thought      was
                
          wierd-
              
          Matt? and while the did get some movement from the cones,      they
                
          never
              
          put the lid on, did not get results and thus deemed it
                
          a      "myth".
              
          however, the mass exposure of david's work should definately
                
          serve
              
          to spark some minds out there. the show also had other
                
          familiar
              
          devices showcased. mostly lifters but they used a gravity
                
          measuring
              
          device that was pretty cool.
          if you missed it, dont worry. it's on      cable. it will be shown
                
          a
              
          million more times.
          regards,      david
          
                
          I don't know if it's a new episode or what but      apparently
                  
          they
              
          featured the Hamel device on Myth busters and also      lifters.
                  
          Did
              
          anybody catch this episode?
          
          My friend      told me that once they built it the cones were
                  
          wobbling
              
          and
                
          that      it was doing what he seemed to think it should do.
                  
          However, he
              
          said      they didn't do the lid right, like they didn't
                  
          concentrate the
              
               magnetic energy enough. Also he said that they made the
                  
          cones out
              
          of
                
          alluminum not steel. Well, it makes me glad I'm going with
                  
          steel.
              
          Anyway, just thought I'd drop the line and see if      anybody
                  
          knew about
              
          this or had actually seen the episode.
          
          peace-out
          
                  
          
          
          
          
          
          
          
          
          
          
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        • leon broye
          so in that case how on earth could we ever travel in something that produces that much head 900c, it would be like putting our sunday roast in the oven, again
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            so in that case how on earth could we ever travel in something that produces
            that much head 900c, it would be like putting our sunday roast in the oven,
            again david visited their craft i wonder was the temp within the craft
            regulated in some way it very cold in space, i no there are matial on this
            planet that can take that type of heat buti wonder if the heat is disapated
            almost instant
            ly


            >From: "demondoppel" <mattihorn@...>
            >Reply-To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
            >To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
            >Subject: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth busters (WHY STEEL)
            >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:23:08 -0000
            >
            >From what I understand they stated the material used in the wings
            >(the vibrating cone structures) were of similar properties of
            >stainless steel.
            >Perhaps something a little more advanced, but nonetheless,
            >nonmagnetic. Structurally capable of withstanding the forces applied
            >and temperature environment.
            >
            >Matt
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "leon broye" <lbroye@...> wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > > I surpose im going to be cruicified for asking this but here we go,
            >did
            > > david ever say when he was show this alien craft, was thier no
            >metion of the
            > > type of matial that was use in thier maim power supply. dont have a
            >go at me
            > > for asking.
            > >
            > >
            > > >From: "demondoppel" <mattihorn@...>
            > > >Reply-To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
            > > >To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
            > > >Subject: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth busters
            >(WHY STEEL)
            > > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:39:21 -0000
            > > >
            > > >"stainless steel all the baby".
            > > >
            > > >Aluminum is structurally weaker/lighter/lower melting point.
            > > >
            > > >Stainless is stronger and higher melting point.
            > > >
            > > >Higher melting point materil is required since David recommends
            >that
            > > >the machine runs at 900C. Aluminum tuhs being a metal to fail.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, Lee Valstad <master_charade@>
            > > >wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > > I think they are referring to using aluminum for the cones, not
            >the
            > > >45GD barrell.
            > > > >
            > > > > I'm confused now. I thought I that non-magnet stainless was
            > > >better than aluminum? But Hamel used aluminum???
            > > > >
            > > > > Mike <mikefurness2002@>
            > > >wrote:
            > > > > Just a small point here, but in UK, ALL 45 Gallon Drums are
            >made
            > > >of steel! some fuels and oils corrode aluminium, and it certainly
            > > >isn't strong enough to contain heavy factions, not sure of my math
            > > >here, but looks like about 100 pounds weight Minimum!
            > > > >
            > > > > Maybe you know something I don't, but just an observation!
            > > > >
            > > > > Mike.
            > > > >
            > > > > Mike. J. Furness.
            > > > >
            > > > > -----Original Message-----
            > > > > From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
            > > >[mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Andrew J. Kenney
            > > > > Sent: 10 December 2006 22:48
            > > > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
            > > > > Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth
            > > >busters (WHY STEEL)
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Whoa Dude!
            > > > >
            > > > > No disrespect intended but, go ahead and argue your case
            >of
            > > >using Aluminum but please, STOP SHOUTING!!!
            > > > >
            > > > > Cheers,
            > > > >
            > > > > Grizz
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > ---------------------------------
            > > > >
            > > > > From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
            > > >[mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
            > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:43 PM
            > > > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
            > > > > Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth
            > > >busters (WHY STEEL)
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > WHY R U USING STEEL? MR. HAMEL'S 3CD IN A 45
            > > >GAL. DRUM WAS ALUMINUM?
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > READ THE WEBSITES ON THE BUILDING OF THESE DEVICES.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > CONES SHOULD BE ALUMINUM !!!!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > GO TO THE YAHOO GROUPS WEBPAGE FOR HAMELTECH AND CLICK
            >ON
            > > >AND READ THE LINKS!!!!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > AN OLDIE BUT A GOLDIE.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > PAT MCBRADY
            > > > >
            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > >
            > > > > From: david
            > > > >
            > > > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
            > > > >
            > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:34 AM
            > > > >
            > > > > Subject: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on
            > > >myth busters
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Field"
            > > ><master_charade@>
            > > > > wrote:
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I just got a call from the treasurer of my antigravity
            >club.
            > > >He
            > > > > said
            > > > > > "Lee, do you have cable tv next to you? You've got to check
            > > >this
            > > > > out!"
            > > > > hello,
            > > > > i saw the episode. they were very enthusiastic about the
            > > >project
            > > > > but were joking and very television(ish)about the whole
            >thing.
            > > >they
            > > > > opened crates of prefab parts- i wondered where those came
            > > >from- and
            > > > > assembled a 3cd in a 45gd. they used jade, wich i thought
            >was
            > > >wierd-
            > > > > Matt? and while the did get some movement from the cones,
            >they
            > > >never
            > > > > put the lid on, did not get results and thus deemed it
            > > >a "myth".
            > > > > however, the mass exposure of david's work should definately
            > > >serve
            > > > > to spark some minds out there. the show also had other
            > > >familiar
            > > > > devices showcased. mostly lifters but they used a gravity
            > > >measuring
            > > > > device that was pretty cool.
            > > > > if you missed it, dont worry. it's on cable. it will be
            >shown
            > > >a
            > > > > million more times.
            > > > > regards, david
            > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I don't know if it's a new episode or what but apparently
            > > >they
            > > > > > featured the Hamel device on Myth busters and also
            >lifters.
            > > >Did
            > > > > > anybody catch this episode?
            > > > > >
            > > > > > My friend told me that once they built it the cones were
            > > >wobbling
            > > > > and
            > > > > > that it was doing what he seemed to think it should do.
            > > >However, he
            > > > > > said they didn't do the lid right, like they didn't
            > > >concentrate the
            > > > > > magnetic energy enough. Also he said that they made the
            > > >cones out
            > > > > of
            > > > > > alluminum not steel. Well, it makes me glad I'm going with
            > > >steel.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Anyway, just thought I'd drop the line and see if anybody
            > > >knew about
            > > > > > this or had actually seen the episode.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > peace-out
            > > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
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          • demondoppel
            Space is cold. Heat is required to maintian biological existence. Therefore, physics which do more things than one, such as providing a great heat source, is a
            Message 5 of 11 , Dec 13, 2006
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              Space is cold. Heat is required to maintian biological existence.
              Therefore, physics which do more things than one, such as providing a
              great heat source, is a benefit in it's self.
              Crafts, that are very large can dissipate the heat properly and keep
              the craft cozy, I presume. Air flow.

              Matt



              --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "leon broye" <lbroye@...> wrote:
              >
              > so in that case how on earth could we ever travel in something that
              produces
              > that much head 900c, it would be like putting our sunday roast in
              the oven,
              > again david visited their craft i wonder was the temp within the craft
              > regulated in some way it very cold in space, i no there are matial
              on this
              > planet that can take that type of heat buti wonder if the heat is
              disapated
              > almost instant
              > ly
              >
              >
              > >From: "demondoppel" <mattihorn@...>
              > >Reply-To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
              > >To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
              > >Subject: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth busters (WHY
              STEEL)
              > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:23:08 -0000
              > >
              > >From what I understand they stated the material used in the wings
              > >(the vibrating cone structures) were of similar properties of
              > >stainless steel.
              > >Perhaps something a little more advanced, but nonetheless,
              > >nonmagnetic. Structurally capable of withstanding the forces applied
              > >and temperature environment.
              > >
              > >Matt
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "leon broye" <lbroye@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > I surpose im going to be cruicified for asking this but here we go,
              > >did
              > > > david ever say when he was show this alien craft, was thier no
              > >metion of the
              > > > type of matial that was use in thier maim power supply. dont have a
              > >go at me
              > > > for asking.
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > >From: "demondoppel" <mattihorn@>
              > > > >Reply-To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
              > > > >To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
              > > > >Subject: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth busters
              > >(WHY STEEL)
              > > > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:39:21 -0000
              > > > >
              > > > >"stainless steel all the baby".
              > > > >
              > > > >Aluminum is structurally weaker/lighter/lower melting point.
              > > > >
              > > > >Stainless is stronger and higher melting point.
              > > > >
              > > > >Higher melting point materil is required since David recommends
              > >that
              > > > >the machine runs at 900C. Aluminum tuhs being a metal to fail.
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, Lee Valstad <master_charade@>
              > > > >wrote:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > I think they are referring to using aluminum for the cones, not
              > >the
              > > > >45GD barrell.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > I'm confused now. I thought I that non-magnet stainless was
              > > > >better than aluminum? But Hamel used aluminum???
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Mike <mikefurness2002@>
              > > > >wrote:
              > > > > > Just a small point here, but in UK, ALL 45 Gallon Drums are
              > >made
              > > > >of steel! some fuels and oils corrode aluminium, and it certainly
              > > > >isn't strong enough to contain heavy factions, not sure of my math
              > > > >here, but looks like about 100 pounds weight Minimum!
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Maybe you know something I don't, but just an observation!
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Mike.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Mike. J. Furness.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > -----Original Message-----
              > > > > > From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
              > > > >[mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Andrew J. Kenney
              > > > > > Sent: 10 December 2006 22:48
              > > > > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
              > > > > > Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth
              > > > >busters (WHY STEEL)
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Whoa Dude!
              > > > > >
              > > > > > No disrespect intended but, go ahead and argue your case
              > >of
              > > > >using Aluminum but please, STOP SHOUTING!!!
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Cheers,
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Grizz
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > ---------------------------------
              > > > > >
              > > > > > From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
              > > > >[mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
              > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:43 PM
              > > > > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
              > > > > > Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on myth
              > > > >busters (WHY STEEL)
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > WHY R U USING STEEL? MR. HAMEL'S 3CD IN A 45
              > > > >GAL. DRUM WAS ALUMINUM?
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > READ THE WEBSITES ON THE BUILDING OF THESE DEVICES.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > CONES SHOULD BE ALUMINUM !!!!
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > GO TO THE YAHOO GROUPS WEBPAGE FOR HAMELTECH AND CLICK
              > >ON
              > > > >AND READ THE LINKS!!!!
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > AN OLDIE BUT A GOLDIE.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > PAT MCBRADY
              > > > > >
              > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > > >
              > > > > > From: david
              > > > > >
              > > > > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:34 AM
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Subject: [hameltech] Re: Hamel Device featured on
              > > > >myth busters
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Field"
              > > > ><master_charade@>
              > > > > > wrote:
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I just got a call from the treasurer of my antigravity
              > >club.
              > > > >He
              > > > > > said
              > > > > > > "Lee, do you have cable tv next to you? You've got to check
              > > > >this
              > > > > > out!"
              > > > > > hello,
              > > > > > i saw the episode. they were very enthusiastic about the
              > > > >project
              > > > > > but were joking and very television(ish)about the whole
              > >thing.
              > > > >they
              > > > > > opened crates of prefab parts- i wondered where those came
              > > > >from- and
              > > > > > assembled a 3cd in a 45gd. they used jade, wich i thought
              > >was
              > > > >wierd-
              > > > > > Matt? and while the did get some movement from the cones,
              > >they
              > > > >never
              > > > > > put the lid on, did not get results and thus deemed it
              > > > >a "myth".
              > > > > > however, the mass exposure of david's work should definately
              > > > >serve
              > > > > > to spark some minds out there. the show also had other
              > > > >familiar
              > > > > > devices showcased. mostly lifters but they used a gravity
              > > > >measuring
              > > > > > device that was pretty cool.
              > > > > > if you missed it, dont worry. it's on cable. it will be
              > >shown
              > > > >a
              > > > > > million more times.
              > > > > > regards, david
              > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I don't know if it's a new episode or what but apparently
              > > > >they
              > > > > > > featured the Hamel device on Myth busters and also
              > >lifters.
              > > > >Did
              > > > > > > anybody catch this episode?
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > My friend told me that once they built it the cones were
              > > > >wobbling
              > > > > > and
              > > > > > > that it was doing what he seemed to think it should do.
              > > > >However, he
              > > > > > > said they didn't do the lid right, like they didn't
              > > > >concentrate the
              > > > > > > magnetic energy enough. Also he said that they made the
              > > > >cones out
              > > > > > of
              > > > > > > alluminum not steel. Well, it makes me glad I'm going with
              > > > >steel.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Anyway, just thought I'd drop the line and see if anybody
              > > > >knew about
              > > > > > > this or had actually seen the episode.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > peace-out
              > > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
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