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• Travis, I find your devices fascinating. If we can imagine it, we can achieve it. As a master electrician, I find that the Egyptian had a better than working
Message 1 of 12 , Mar 22, 2006
Travis, I find your devices fascinating. If we can imagine it, we can
achieve it. As a master electrician, I find that the Egyptian had a
better than working knowledge of electricity. I have been working on a
rotating propulsion device for several years. It consists of a platter
with several movable weights. The weights are timed to move towards the
center of rotation from the 10 to the 2 oclock position. After that,
the coil is de-energized and releases the weight. To of these devices
counter-rotate to produce force in one direction (theoretically). Wish
I were working in a lab like you guys!
• Wanted to tell you about an experiment I tried. If you take a top, the type that you can spin real fast by pulling the string, and throw it up in the air, at
Message 2 of 12 , Mar 22, 2006
Wanted to tell you about an experiment I tried. If you take a top, the
type that you can spin real fast by pulling the string, and throw it up
in the air, at the apex, before the top starts down, it hesitates in
mid-air for just a sec. Is this just from the change in direction, or
are there other forces working here? My knowledge of physics is self-
taught, so I'm not sure.
• Bookshop, Sorry, nothing there, done many times, electrical input = mechanical power out! It would be polite if you put your name to your posts. Mike. Mike. J.
Message 3 of 12 , Mar 22, 2006
Bookshop,
Sorry, nothing there, done many times, electrical input = mechanical power out!

It would be polite if you put your name to your posts.

Mike.

Mike. J. Furness
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Sent: 22 March 2006 14:40
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hameltech] Re: Pyramid Power

Travis, I find your devices fascinating. If we can imagine it, we can
achieve it. As a master electrician, I find that the Egyptian had a
better than working knowledge of electricity. I have been working on a
rotating propulsion device for several years. It consists of a platter
with several movable weights. The weights are timed to move towards the
center of rotation from the 10 to the 2 oclock position. After that,
the coil is de-energized and releases the weight. To of these devices
counter-rotate to produce force in one direction (theoretically). Wish
I were working in a lab like you guys!

• I have read that archeologists have found ceramic jugs in the pyramids in Egypt with the residue of electrolytic salts in them. Maybe a battery? As for the
Message 4 of 12 , Mar 22, 2006

I have read that archeologists have found ceramic jugs in the pyramids in Egypt with the residue of electrolytic salts in them.  Maybe a battery?  As for the poster's device, it sounds like an attempt at perpetual motion.  As a mechanical engineer I can tell you that perpetual motion machines are not possible.  Everything needs SOME kind of input power, be it energy from magnets, solar, air currents, heat, etc.  Good luck poster.  Any chance you can post pics or a video?

Phillip

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From: Mike <mikefurness2002@...>

Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:04 am

Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: Pyramid Power

> Bookshop,
>              Sorry, nothing there, done many times, electrical
> input =
> mechanical power out!
>
> It would be polite if you put your name to your posts.
>
> Mike.
>
> Mike. J. Furness
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>  Travis, I find your devices fascinating. If we can imagine it,
> we can
>  achieve it. As a master electrician, I find that the Egyptian
>  better than working knowledge of electricity. I have been
> working on a
>  rotating propulsion device for several years. It consists of a
> platter  with several movable weights. The weights are timed to
> move towards the
>  center of rotation from the 10 to the 2 oclock position. After that,
>  the coil is de-energized and releases the weight. To of these
> devices  counter-rotate to produce force in one direction
> (theoretically). Wish
>  I were working in a lab like you guys!
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>
>
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• Water cone (large) somewhat finished. Disaster. Nothing is working. Warping still occurs. Patience lost. Description of what I was doing: 20 gallon bucket,
Message 5 of 12 , Mar 22, 2006
Water cone (large) somewhat finished.
Disaster. Nothing is working. Warping still occurs.
Patience lost.

Description of what I was doing:

20 gallon bucket, full of water. Mount placed into water to hold cone.
Cone without a tip, placed into water and filled up with water. Both
skins are lined up and clamped and ready to be welded. These worked out
great. The two skins are where I need them.

Top cone filled with water. Level of water is about 1/4 inch down from
top edge to be welded. Water in bucket circulated through pool type
bilge/filter pump to keep it from becoming stagnant.
Water is basically covering the entire cone except the edge to be welded.
I put ice cubes in as well to lower temp of short time interval during
welding.
Tack welds at every two inches and under.
Short runs of about 1/2 inch to 0.5 inches.

After a few runs, tested for warping. It was present. Adjusted current,
and pulse frequency. Adjusted peak current time and background amperage
percentage. Continued until cone was almost finished. Tested for warps
again. Still there. Raised water level up to about 1/8th to 3/16th.
Kept going.
Finished cone. Checked for warps. About 85% to 90% of cone is warped,
diameter of 11 inches lost in most places.

Man I am losing my patience on this.
• Bud, I m wondering what kind of heat conduction your metal has. I see where you are going with it but having some thin aluminum/stainless being welded only
Message 6 of 12 , Mar 23, 2006
Bud,

I'm wondering what kind of heat conduction your metal has. I see
where you are going with it but having some thin aluminum/stainless
being welded only 1/4" up from the water level wont damper it too
much. When you hit it with 2,000 degrees or what have you, the cold
water nearby is going to have little effect I would think.

Question for you.. How do you know its warped? I know you are
testing it with measurements but I'm not sure how. I mean, 100'th
of an inch in a couple places would hardly effect the balance, but I
dont know what you're working with or how bad it is. Even if it is
noticeable (and not too bad) you could do the following.

You can set a rod thru it all the way down to the point, and then
mark a spot on the floor or a wood block. Otherwise attach a string
from the middle point or what have you. Next find the point exactly
above it on the ceiling or some type of thing above the cone. Hold
it in place until it seems perfectly still and lines up straight
with your markings and then let go. Keep seeing which way it falls,
each time adding a bit more weld to the opposite side in the amount
you feel neccesarry. Compensation. You could go another step
further and create some type of threshhold where the cone really
could stand by itself in some sort of dip when you get it to be
perfect.

-Travis

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "demondoppel" <mattihorn@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Water cone (large) somewhat finished.
> Disaster. Nothing is working. Warping still occurs.
> Patience lost.
>
> Description of what I was doing:
>
> 20 gallon bucket, full of water. Mount placed into water to hold
cone.
> Cone without a tip, placed into water and filled up with water.
Both
> skins are lined up and clamped and ready to be welded. These
worked out
> great. The two skins are where I need them.
>
> Top cone filled with water. Level of water is about 1/4 inch down
from
> top edge to be welded. Water in bucket circulated through pool
type
> bilge/filter pump to keep it from becoming stagnant.
> Water is basically covering the entire cone except the edge to be
welded.
> I put ice cubes in as well to lower temp of short time interval
during
> welding.
> Tack welds at every two inches and under.
> Short runs of about 1/2 inch to 0.5 inches.
>
> After a few runs, tested for warping. It was present. Adjusted
current,
> and pulse frequency. Adjusted peak current time and background
amperage
> percentage. Continued until cone was almost finished. Tested for
warps
> again. Still there. Raised water level up to about 1/8th to 3/16th.
> Kept going.
> Finished cone. Checked for warps. About 85% to 90% of cone is
warped,
> diameter of 11 inches lost in most places.
>
> Man I am losing my patience on this.
>
• I am a newcomer. Seems like that you are having a lot of trouble with welding,warping and balancing. Could tne cone be made out in two pieces and riverted
Message 7 of 12 , Mar 23, 2006
I am a newcomer.
Seems like that you are having a lot of trouble with welding,warping and balancing.
Could tne cone be made out in two pieces and riverted together?
Just a thought from a non physic type.
Mike
• Unfortuneately, no. There s no place to put rivets in for the inside and outside cone at the top edge without losing the geometry. Streamlining the cone is a
Message 8 of 12 , Mar 23, 2006
Unfortuneately, no.
There's no place to put rivets in for the inside and outside cone at the
top edge without losing the geometry. Streamlining the cone is a
requirement for my arrangement.

For Travis, the warping that I am finding is from a straight edge check.
I take a piece of stainless steel that I have sheared and use it to
check the inside cone wall and also the outside cone wall at or near the
top edge. Inside cone reveals a bowing of sorts, at about 3/4 inch down.
And the outside tends to go inward. My smaller cones do not appear to
have this problem without the water treatment. I did test welds on some
small cone forms and got good results. It's the volume of metal of the
large cone, and the larger span of distances that comes into play.

Other than this defect/problem, the cones are turning out rather well.
Centering of the points and pivots and the overall roundness has been a
good thing so far, even on old cones. Even the seams on each cone piece
are generally good. Spinning the cones in the magnetic field, I can see
if the center piece is off, with a slight wobble, or I can see if the
cone is out of round. balance is not a problem with pretty much all
cones. It's just the warping. I've been taking my old cone sets and
stacking them, small cone on large etc. They balance out quite well. A
good test.

Last night, put cone aside from welding. I'm going over what is being
missed. Be it welding technique, water level etc. I decided to attached
new magnets to my top suspension/keeper ring, that are not so wide (the
old ones were 1 inch across, these new ones are 0.5 inches). Improved
air gap, not so tight.

Matt

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, darwin42@... wrote:
>
> I am a newcomer.
> Seems like that you are having a lot of trouble with welding,warping
and
> balancing.
> Could tne cone be made out in two pieces and riverted together?
> Just a thought from a non physic type.
> Mike
>
• Matt, why don t youn use Mr. Hamel method to build the cones, it seems it works in his device. Keep up the patience :) Gene ...
Message 9 of 12 , Mar 23, 2006
Matt, why don't youn use Mr. Hamel method to build the
cones, it seems it works in his device.

Keep up the patience :)

Gene

--- demondoppel <mattihorn@...> wrote:

>
> Water cone (large) somewhat finished.
> Disaster. Nothing is working. Warping still occurs.
> Patience lost.
>
> Description of what I was doing:
>
> 20 gallon bucket, full of water. Mount placed into
> water to hold cone.
> Cone without a tip, placed into water and filled up
> with water. Both
> skins are lined up and clamped and ready to be
> welded. These worked out
> great. The two skins are where I need them.
>
> Top cone filled with water. Level of water is about
> 1/4 inch down from
> top edge to be welded. Water in bucket circulated
> through pool type
> bilge/filter pump to keep it from becoming stagnant.
> Water is basically covering the entire cone except
> the edge to be welded.
> I put ice cubes in as well to lower temp of short
> time interval during
> welding.
> Tack welds at every two inches and under.
> Short runs of about 1/2 inch to 0.5 inches.
>
> After a few runs, tested for warping. It was
> present. Adjusted current,
> and pulse frequency. Adjusted peak current time and
> background amperage
> percentage. Continued until cone was almost
> finished. Tested for warps
> again. Still there. Raised water level up to about
> 1/8th to 3/16th.
> Kept going.
> Finished cone. Checked for warps. About 85% to 90%
> of cone is warped,
> diameter of 11 inches lost in most places.
>
> Man I am losing my patience on this.
>
>
>
>
>

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• This message is for Justin Szymanek, Justin, we ahve talked bedfore, maybe 2-3 years ago. I am deep into pyramid power and ahve started an experiment based on
Message 10 of 12 , Dec 18, 2007
This message is for Justin Szymanek,

Justin, we ahve talked bedfore, maybe 2-3 years ago. I am deep into
pyramid power and ahve started an experiment based on dehydrating dead
animals and or mummifying the same.
I have just, within the past 24 hours, put my 14 year old Brittaney
Spaniel down and would like to preserve him forever. Would you please
contact me so we could discuss this.

Buzz Gruhn
pyramidsquare@...
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