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  • Robert Leblanc
    Here s a site i found quite a while ago,,,interesting they must have ways to cut the ball and bases to 1/1,000,,im not sure how they do it myself.But is quite
    Message 1 of 65 , Aug 31, 2005
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      Here's a site i found quite a while ago,,,interesting they must have ways to cut the ball and bases to 1/1,000,,im not sure how they do it myself.But is quite an interesting thing to see.

      http://www.ballfountains.com/
    • alfred256
      can you post any photo? thanks in advance ... is ... bringing ... tapped. ... to ... same ... the ... [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] ... osc ... are ...
      Message 65 of 65 , Oct 21, 2005
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        can you post any photo?

        thanks in advance






        --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Rock" <mattihorn@i...> wrote:
        >
        > Thanks David,
        >
        > I have been tweaking my setup, going from top to bottom and back up
        > to top, adjusting weight of each cone in containment ring, slowly,
        > and making many adjustments.
        >
        > Something is beginning to happen......
        >
        > All cones are beginning to sustain in movement. And the osc table
        is
        > beginning to show signs of something rather neat.
        > I tap the osc table as I am adjusting the bottom cone upward in the
        > containment, taking weight off the osc table. The osc table is
        > revealing a sustained vibration and it gets greater as I am
        bringing
        > the bottom cone up. The other cones are working well together, with
        > some minor jumping in the middle cone, when the osc table is
        tapped.
        > So I increase downward thrust for middle to compensate.
        >
        > this is going to take a while.
        > It's like tuning a big drumset, something I used to do, to get
        > everything 'sounding' good with each other.
        >
        > Matt
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "David K" <dkouk@b...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Hi Matt,
        > > I had this sort of trouble balancing my cones. I found that
        > the
        > > weight of the cones needed to be increased but the rings needed
        to
        > have
        > > their radius reduced to increase the magnetic strength at the
        same
        > time.
        > > Also I would say you need the top magnet to get the bottom cone
        > moving.
        > > This is because the top magnet is what pushes the structure into
        the
        > > isotope line. Unless you have the isotope line you won't get the
        > motion
        > > you need.
        > > With my set up I have had vibrations lasting for days, but
        > only
        > > when the top rejection magnet was in place, otherwise the device
        > would
        > > simply stop after about a minute.
        > > Regards
        > > David K
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
        [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com]
        > On
        > > Behalf Of Matt Rock
        > > Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 9:02 AM
        > > To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
        > > Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11112: granite time....
        > >
        > >
        > > In process of the balancing, thus so far, I have all cones
        > floating,
        > > but I am sensing the bottom cone to be a little heavy into the
        osc
        > > table. All cones are dead central down the z-axis. the magnets
        are
        > > keeping a clear and good even air gap all the way around for all
        > > cones.
        > > The middle and top will easily spring out of the magnetic
        > containment
        > > if too much lateral pressure is applied.
        > > I am taking small breaks in between this exercise, since it
        demands
        > > me to be quite precise in the ring positions. I am using shim
        stock
        > > to slowly tweak things into perspective. (thin pieces of metal at
        > > 11/1000s thick)
        > >
        > > What is noticeable so far in the position of rings, is that they
        > are
        > > clearly measuring from the base surface, whole numbers and also
        > half
        > > whole numbers. For instance, the top ring is 28 inches exactly
        from
        > > the base surface (the bottom of the cups and upward).
        > > 18 inches to the top of the bottom ring. Between bottom and
        middle
        > at
        > > their tops is about 6.5.
        > >
        > > Weird. But very interesting.
        > >
        > > As usual, the small cone at the top takes off like crazy and is
        > > sustained at least 10 minutes. the middle responds, but the
        bottom
        > > doesn't.
        > > I take the top out and give the two others a good jiggle, they
        > dance
        > > well together and the osc table responds with incredible accuracy.
        > >
        > > So, it's going to a trial and error (as usual) to get as close as
        > > possible to the desired conditions.
        > >
        > > everything is level, the base is on a level surface and the posts
        > are
        > > quite perpendicular.
        > >
        > > I'll try not to hold my breath too long :)
        > >
        > > Matt
        > >
        > > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Rock" <mattihorn@i...>
        > wrote:
        > > >
        > > > top plate completed.
        > > > cups are now mounted to the plate via TIG welding. I have placed
        > > the
        > > > top on top of the base cups.
        > > >
        > > > good action, and position. precise movement.
        > > >
        > > > assembly of device now commenced. To see how things look and
        feel.
        > > >
        > > > I am balancing, or attempting to balance the cones with each
        > other.
        > > >
        > > > I will get the 2.5 inch diameter stainless steel ready by
        cutting
        > > the
        > > > sections up.
        > > >
        > > > Matt
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Rock" <mattihorn@i...>
        > > wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > .........still sniffing away and coughing this head cold away.
        > > > >
        > > > > I have obtained new pieces of plate to begin the top plate
        > again.
        > > > >
        > > > > The only thing I need now is a bi-metal bandsaw blade, which
        may
        > > be
        > > > > obtained by the end of today, hopefully, with a backup plan of
        > > > > getting one UPSed my way probably on monday (that's two
        blades).
        > > > >
        > > > > The cups on the device base have been fully welded on. They
        > > > survived
        > > > > the heat quite well. They are in good position.
        > > > >
        > > > > I have been considering on beefing up the base, where the
        posts
        > > > make
        > > > > contact to the metal base (cross shape). But's that up in the
        > air.
        > > > > Something has been prodding me to consider putting high
        > strength
        > > > > (there is already) at the bottom. I may be looking at using my
        > > 2.5
        > > > > inch diameter stainless rod for this. Putting 1 inch holes
        > > through
        > > > > the length and cutting them into 6 inch pieces. The posts
        would
        > > > then
        > > > > go into these pieces. The pieces are welded to the cross metal
        > > > base.
        > > > > 6 or 4 inch tall pieces, with some hardware to lock the posts
        in
        > > > > place. It would actually be better than what I have going
        right
        > > now
        > > > > and simpler.
        > > > >
        > > > > Of course, the top plate is first on the list.
        > > > >
        > > > > Matt
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Rock" <mattihorn@i...>
        > > > wrote:
        > > > > >
        > > > > > I attempted to repair the first top plate. IT was going good
        > > > until
        > > > > > welding. It warped, since I had ground things down using a
        > > dremel
        > > > > > drill and the heat to the welding was too high. and I am
        > > > suffering
        > > > > > from a bugger of head cold--which can affect any kind of
        work.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > So tomorrow, after the new bandsaw blase is grabbed, I will
        be
        > > > > making
        > > > > > a new and fresh top plate.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Matt
        > > > > > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Rock"
        <mattihorn@i...>
        > > > > wrote:
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > No go on the top plate, except an attempt to make a new
        > pivot
        > > > on
        > > > > > the
        > > > > > > lathe. The plate needs to be cut from stock material and
        we
        > > > have
        > > > > no
        > > > > > > bi-metal band saw blades. So that's being looked after
        first
        > > > off.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > That's it for now.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Matt
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Rock"
        > > <mattihorn@i...>
        > > > > > wrote:
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Okay, where am I? :)
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Granite cups are done and so are the spheres.
        > > > > > > > Granite cups (6) have been wrapped with stainless steel
        > > > banding
        > > > > > on
        > > > > > > > the outside surface and welded shut.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > 3 of the cups have been welded to the base of the
        device,
        > > > > > > > successfully, as I had to do some adding and
        subtracting
        > to
        > > > ge
        > > > > > the
        > > > > > > > centers bang on. It appears to have worked. They are
        > solid.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > 3 cups were about to go on the top plate, when I had a
        > > > feeling
        > > > > to
        > > > > > > > check the center pivot of the plate. It's off. Not by
        much
        > > > but
        > > > > I
        > > > > > > > would say about 50/1000 or a little more. That's not
        good
        > > for
        > > > > me.
        > > > > > > > We have no bi-metal saw blades for the bandsaw, so I
        have
        > > to
        > > > > > wait.
        > > > > > > > I can't exactly repair this to get it bang on, since
        > > > everything
        > > > > > is
        > > > > > > > welded. Thought about cutting the pivot off the plate
        > using
        > > a
        > > > > > > dremel
        > > > > > > > tool, but probably lose too much metal and screw up
        > > > dimensions.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Noticed the heat conditions the granite a little. Seems
        to
        > > > get
        > > > > a
        > > > > > > > little white looking to the granite where there was heat
        > > > > applied
        > > > > > > > (welding). Colour returns after cooling. Might be
        > > associated
        > > > > with
        > > > > > > > water content in the stone being affected.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Matt
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Rock"
        > > > <mattihorn@i...>
        > > > > > > wrote:
        > > > > > > > > some more pictures showing the simple involvement of
        > > making
        > > > > > cups
        > > > > > > out
        > > > > > > > > of granite (precut into cylinders using a diamond core
        > > > drill
        > > > > > bit).
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > http://webhome.idirect.com/~mattihorn/00000003.JPG
        > > > > > > > > Tool in the lathe and tool for holding granite in the
        > > tool
        > > > > > holder
        > > > > > > on
        > > > > > > > > the crossslide of the lathe. bag for catching grit and
        > > > slurry.
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > http://webhome.idirect.com/~mattihorn/00000002.JPG
        > > > > > > > > The balls on the end of the shanks, used to cut into
        the
        > > > > > granite
        > > > > > > on
        > > > > > > > > the lathe. Various sizes from 1/2 inch diam up to 1.25
        > > inch
        > > > > > diam.
        > > > > > > > > Red containers are fine grits and the tall is the 80
        > > grit.
        > > > > Depth
        > > > > > > > > gauge at the lower center of the picture.
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > and some of the balls and cups how they would appear
        on
        > > the
        > > > > osc
        > > > > > > > table
        > > > > > > > > top in this picture:
        > > > > > > > > http://webhome.idirect.com/~mattihorn/00000001.JPG
        > > > > > > > > The jar with balls are spares for the moment and some
        of
        > > > them
        > > > > > are
        > > > > > > > > made out of less quality granite.
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > The two balls in the foreground are an aluminum oxide
        > > ball
        > > > in
        > > > > > > first
        > > > > > > > > cup (practice) and 1 irregular shaped granite sphere
        and
        > > > cup
        > > > > > (from
        > > > > > > > > Rouleau)
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > Matt
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > >
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        > >
        > >
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        > >
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