Re: [hackers-il] The dream retinue for star programmers
- On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 08, 2000, Omer Zak wrote about "[hackers-il] The dream retinue for star programmers":Perhaps I started the message way it was started because I do consider
> > Here is a question to the real star programmers among us:
> There's a problem in answering your question... If I answer it, it would imply
> that I consider myself a "star programmer", and doing that is a faux-pas (ein
> hanachtom meid al isato, you know). So let's start off by saying that I'm
> answering as a "Nadav" that igored the first line of your posting :)
myself to be a star programmer. :-)
> > Partial list of suggestions:How about someone who knows to perform code inspections, only can't
> > 1. Software tester to test for you the brilliant code which you wrote.
> > 2. Technical writer to spare you from the pain of documenting your code
> > yourself.
> Personally, I would consider either of these a PITA (pain-in-the-a**), because
> it would mean that I have to explain everything I do to two people, and I
> would have to strongly rely on two other people (because botching up either
> the testing or the documentation would make users think that what I did sucks).
originally create the masterpiece? He would inspect your code, find and
note any problems with it, and also document it. He would also run the
code and test it.
The drawback is that such people would probably deserve their own star
status (i.e. hard to find and worth a lot as well). So continue to think.
> I would also add a soundcard: it can cost as little as 66 shekels (that'sAccording to DeMarco and Lister's "Peopleware", 2nd edition, chapter 12
> the price of the one I got), and listening to music on the job can be a lot
> of fun :)
("Bring back the door"), research made in Cornell University demonstrated
that people use the same brain center for listening to music and for
creativity (needed to create the really novel solutions to problems).
Thus, hearing music on programming job is bad for your creativity.
Due to obvious reasons (no offense meant or taken, ShlomiF :-) ) I can't
personally vouch for the correctness of the above claim.
> > 6. Junior programmer who will perform the boring tasks which you specify.A better way to phrase the same way is "come and work as apprentice to
> I can just see the job ad you post for these junior programmers: "come work
> for us, and you'll do all the boring task that our stuck-up snob
> star-programmers refuse to do" :)
today's brightest programming stars, learn their secrets and ways of
thinking, and 7 years from now you will too be a star programmer".
> > 7. Information specialist, to search literature and the Internet for anyThis is not the same. Librarians deal mostly with finding, loaning,
> > facts that the programmer needs.
> This is sometimes called a "librarian"... I don't think you really need one
> in your company, it's even better if you have access to some big library
> (e.g., the Technion's) where you can get books you need at a moment's notice.
returning and repairing books. Information specialists gather information
from all sources, and know where to find the answer to any question.
> > Any other wild ideas?Continue suggesting more wild ideas.
> A laptop?
> A fast internet connection at home and/or a cellular Internet connection for
> the cellphone?
> A masseuse? :)
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- On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Omer Zak wrote:
> Here is a question to the real star programmers among us:If i were a star programmer, i wouldn't be reading my mail on friday
night, i'd be coding the next linux, from scratch, and be done debugging
it by the time the takeout arrives.
> What would you recommend the company to equip you with?here's my wish list:
flexible working hours. i work when i want to.
flexible working location. onsite or offsite, at my discretion. have
laptop and internet connection, will travel.
flexible projects and choice of technology. c++, c, java, perl, commodore
asm if that's what i want to do the prohject in (and i can give sufficient
technical arguments to support my whim)
> Partial list of suggestions:i would like to have ultimate control over my staff memebrs. to be able to
> 1. Software tester to test for you the brilliant code which you wrote.
> 2. Technical writer to spare you from the pain of documenting your code
decide who to work with and who not to.
> 4. Big, flat panel display (or, better, two displays).in general, a computer which makes my task, programming, as easy as
possible. and i decide what defines such a computer, naturally.
> 5. Fast Internet connection.wholeheartedly agree.
> 7. Information specialist, to search literature and the Internet for anyaccess to any knowledge source i need, be it in electronic form or
> facts that the programmer needs.
dead-tree form. no questions asked as to why i need it or how much it
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> Any other wild ideas?I would get a tool maker.
Whenever I need CVs to do just something else, and Yet another emacs
feature, or a small script to do specific tasks, I find myself wishing for
someone else who would know perl/emacs-lisp better than I do and do it for
Same for writing setups and doing builds.
(where I work they have a special team handling CVS/Build/Setup for
everyone, its fantastic!)
> Besides, I woild like to have a decent salary, good stockI think everyone gets a decent amount of those.
> options share
> and a car.
Ofcourse the more valuable you are the higher the value of "good" and
So those are automatic :-)
- mulix wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Omer Zak wrote:<snip>
>> Here is a question to the real star programmers among us:
> If i were a star programmer, i wouldn't be reading my mail on friday
> night, i'd be coding the next linux, from scratch, and be done debugging
> it by the time the takeout arrives.
>> What would you recommend the company to equip you with?
>> 4. Big, flat panel display (or, better, two displays).Contrary to Nadav's experience, I find 3 monitors on a desk a good
> in general, a computer which makes my task, programming, as easy as
> possible. and i decide what defines such a computer, naturally.
thing:) Hovewer, as mulix stated,
a perfect computer is a question of personal decision.
>> 5. Fast Internet connection.While I am not considering myself a star programmer, I think that LOTS
> wholeheartedly agree.
>> 7. Information specialist, to search literature and the Internet for any
>> facts that the programmer needs.
> access to any knowledge source i need, be it in electronic form or
> dead-tree form. no questions asked as to why i need it or how much it
of disk space on netapp
and personal budget, i.e. readiness of employer to purchase whatever I
think could help me is
a good thing TM.
Besides, I woild like to have a decent salary, good stock options share
and a car.
- Omer Zak wrote:
> Here is a question to the real star programmers among us:To comment on some previous comments regarding "how does one knows
whether she is a star programer?" then I guess my answer would be:
If you happen to work for a multinational corporation and you happen to
drive back to your (company supplied) home in a Southern California
"gated community" (3 pools, tennis courts, electric gates) by the
wonderful (Really!) road going between Malibu and Thousand Oaks, and
while driving the (company supplied) car you happen to hit a car going
the other way and totally trash your and the other drivers car (but no
one gets hurt) and the company simply sends you a new car and have their
lawyers take care of everything for you, without you having to to pay a
penny, display insurance papers etc. then you must be a star programer :-)
<sigh> Yes, I was once that good... ;-))
Now seriously, you seem to describe something very similar to the
"Surgical Team" that Fred Brooks describes in chapter 3 of the now
famous "The Mythical Man-Month". Since I can't quote the entire chapter
I'd advice you to go read the book. It's boring as hell, but still very
Besides it (the book) makes a hell of a crushing answer when some dumb
ass pointy haired manager tries to convince you to take in new team
members to try and make a late project deliver on time and you go:
"That will only make the project *MORE* late, not less!" and he goes:
"Says who?". At this point I simply send them the title and the ISBN of
the book and a link to it on Amazon.. ;-)
I always thought the Surgical Team idea is very good except of the
social implications but never heard of any place this actually got tried
Interestingly, once can think of the Open Source development model
presented by Linux and ilk as a sort of Surgical Team development:
The developers write code, someone else tests, yet someone else
documents (well, maybe... ;-) This in addition to many of the
"communication and administration" functions becoming unnecessary
because of the extremely low cost of communication.
Well, maybe I'm stretching it too far...
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