Re: Autodidects vs. degreed students (was: Re: [hackers-il] Re: Grades and The Real World...)
- Omer Zak <omerz@...> writes:
> Can you tell us what difference do you (or do experienced teachers) seeThat was not the distinction. I meant that from the point of view of
> between the those three kinds of students (student-for-a-grade,
> student-for-a-pleasure and autodidect)?
learning a subject successfully it is considered (and I think there is
a lot of truth to it, based on my own experience) important for a
student to study for an exam systematically and in a disciplined and
focused manner in addition to listening to lectures and reading books
on the subject.
Note that obviously one can be very systematic, disciplined, and
focused outside of a context of an exam. Especially if one tries to
learn something directly applicable to one's work etc. However, first,
I think it's fair to say that most people will find a formal framework
such as an exam, where one's achievements are judged independently,
very helpful in terms of focus and discipline. Secondly, students
(that's the context here) rarely are in a situation where they study
something that is immediately applicable outside of the curriculum
itself. Thirdly, the note above about direct applicability to one's
work often has elements of examination in it, in forms of the next
salary review, promotion, etc - just somewhat more abstracted than the
straightforward lectures/books/exercises/labs -> exam of a university.
In terms of student-for-a-grade vs. student-for-a-pleasure I do think
that normally a grade (at least a good one) is perceived - justifiably
- as value added, because it is assumed that to prepare well for an
exam a "normal" student applies extra time and effort to "integrate"
(using Shlomi's term) the material of the course. Regardless of what
one thinks of one's ability to do just that without an exam looming,
this works for most people. It's a matter of a) formal responsibility,
Can you write excellent code without the need to satisfy a customer or
testing with an independent QA department? I am sure you can. Does the
thought of going out of business if the customer is not satisfied help
produce good products? Normally, it does. Does independent testing
help quality? Please don't argue - I won't believe you are serious,
Do you have enough discipline to jog and ride your very own exercise
bike every morning? Yes? Great. Most people who exercise do find the
discipline involved in going to a gym - and the feedback from a
trainer (that feedback is not so different from a grade) - helpful in
Same stories, different contexts.
Oleg Goldshmidt | ogoldshmidt@...
"If it ain't broken, it has not got enough features yet."