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  • Jon - Budmart.co.uk
    Hello Sharon Sancho has given the thumbs up so its almost all systems go !! I have voted in the poll to decide what happens next, hopefully the votes will be
    Message 1 of 29 , Apr 28 6:54 AM
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      Hello Sharon
       
      Sancho has given the thumbs up so its almost all systems go !!
       
      I have voted in the poll to decide what happens next, hopefully the votes will be conclusive and we will be able to get a website up and running.
       
      Your link at Rootsweb looks impressive and gives us a impression of what the GG&BS site can look like.
       
      I can see this Group becoming more established.
       
      We don't want to rush too far ahead though as we need to carefully plan the layout and content of the site.
       
      I can see this being a well worthwhile project.
       
      Regards
       
      Jon

      Sharon <deuxchat@...> wrote:

      Thanks once again to Jon for teaching me about the terminology I am
      unfamiliar with.  I am so excited to learn about the terminology on
      my family that I've read with no understanding until now.

      I will wait for the moderator's response about my idea for a Society
      website at Rootsweb, as he is the founder and the office of the
      group.  Most genealogical socities have their websites sponsored at
      Rootsweb because it is free.  I've never incurred a limit on the
      storage space for online photos or data nor for bandwidth used - it
      is totally free for genealogical societies and for surname sites.   
      They also provide a guestbook where people can leave their thoughts,
      etc. but it is not interactive.  So the only thing missing is an
      interactive message board, which other societies have had to pay for
      or they have established a Yahoo group.  We're ahead already by
      having the group and members!

      I created a site for the Tishomingo County Mississippi Genealogical
      Society 4 years ago and maintained it for 2 years.  It sure looks
      different now but I believe the content is still there. You can view
      this site at - http://www.rootsweb.com/~mstchgs/index.htm

      Sharon


      --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
      <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
      > Hello Sharon

      > A "White Creole" was a European who was born and raised in the
      West Indies.

      > The term "Creole" was originally used to describe European West
      Indians who were of Spanish or French origin as to seperate them
      from Europeans of British origin.

      > The term was later used to describe Africans who were born in the
      West Indies as opposed to being born in Africa.

      > This is when they used the terms "White Creole", "Coloured Creole"
      and "Creole" do refer to the different "Native" peoples of the West
      Indies.

      > It is nowadays just another term for anyone who is from the West
      Indies or to describe something such as Cuisine which is Native to
      the Region.

      > "Ma Retraite" is of French origin and means "my retirement",
      French names were more common in the Islands but there are some
      places in Guyana with French names although some of these are from
      the time of the French occupation (during which the French founded
      the City of Longchamps, renamed Stabroek by the Dutch and then
      Georgetown by the British).

      > Your Rootsweb idea sounds good, maybe it could become
      the "Official" website for the GG&BS if the Moderator agrees.

      > We could all then have one place to refer to and to add bits and
      pieces and links.

      > I suppose now the Society has been established we will need
      responsible members to act as Secretaries etc but we can't do
      anything until we hear back from the Moderator as it is his "baby"
      if you like and i wouldn't want to step on any toes !!

      > I think your ideas are very good and will help the Society to
      advance all we need is the feedback and we can work something out.

      > I have glanced at Rootsweb once or twice but have not looked at it
      fully, i will have a look at their set up and see what they can
      offer.

      > Hope to hear from you all soon.

      > Regards

      > Jon

      >
      >
      > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Jon and all,
      > Wow - I've learned so much from you....I always heard about
      Flemish
      > painters and such and wondered what country they were from.  Now I
      > know - AND know why the difference in spelling of the name and its
      > origins!  And on top of that, now I know what colored creole means
      > too! I sure appreciate it Jon.  This creates one more question for
      > me though - Louise's father was listed as "white creole" so what
      > does that mean?
      >
      > Thanks also for the meaning of the "Ma Retraite" words on Louise's
      > Berbice birth certificate.  I would never have found out what it
      > meant on my own!
      >
      > I just had a thought - to get going, why don't we create a website
      > on Rootsweb?  Its free and we can post any records we have,
      photos,
      > etc. there. 
      >
      > I would gladly volunteer to create it as I have done this for
      other
      > genealogical socities. If you like this idea, let me know and I'll
      > request a website from Rootsweb.  I can do the website myself, but
      > for content, we'll all to agree that this would be a good first
      > step, and then - and very important - we'll all have to contribute
      > something for website content. To start off, contributions of
      photos
      > of Guyana, or stories about the experience of living in Guyana,
      > schools, history, etc, would be great.  This would establish a
      > beginning for the society and provide an international "home" for
      > concentrating on Guyanese genealogy.
      >
      > Hope to hear from the other members and their thoughts about the
      > website!  (Thoughts - Do we need "officers", a mailing address and
      > way to get new members via the web?)
      >
      > Thanks again for your help Jon!
      >
      > Sharon
      >
      >
      > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
      > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
      > > Hello Sharon
      > > 
      > > No problem at all, i am glad you found the information of use.
      > > 
      > > Regarding the name De Ryck your Relative is partly right and i
      am
      > also partly right.
      > > 
      > > The reason being that the name is actually Flemish and does
      > originate from the Flanders Region of Belgium rather than from the
      > Netherlands.
      > > 
      > > I am aware of this, the reason i refered to it as being Dutch is
      > that at the time of your Ancestors arrival in South America
      Belgium
      > did not exist as a Country and was part of the Netherlands,
      > therefore they came from Holland rather than Belgium and Flemish
      is
      > actually a dialect of Dutch that is spoken in the Northern half of
      > Belgium.
      > > 
      > > So the De Rycks are kind of both Flemish and Dutch, depending on
      > the period in question.
      > > 
      > > The "Ma Retraite" you were reffering to was a Plantation in
      > Berbice and is now a small village.
      > > 
      > > This was proberly the birth place of Loiuse Busey De Ryck and
      the
      > Plantation owned by John Busey.
      > > 
      > > As her Mother Teresa is mentioned as being a "Coloured Creole"
      she
      > may be related to the other Brummel Family as this can be another
      > term for someone who is Mulatto, therefore having a mixture of
      > African and European blood.
      > > 
      > > Regarding Church records, the local Parish Church will be the
      best
      > place to start, first of all you need to identify if they were
      Roman
      > Catholic or Anglican or belonged to another Church.
      > > 
      > > You then need to find the local Church of that denomination in
      the
      > area that they lived and there is a good chance that they will
      have
      > some kind of record of your Family being resident in the Parish.
      > > 
      > > Concerning the Guyanese G & BS, i have just noticed that the
      Group
      > name has been changed to this, so i guess we must already be
      members
      > of the Society.
      > > 
      > > A lot of Institutions do charge for their services such as
      finding
      > records or faxing, photocopying etc but generally as long as we
      know
      > where to look and what to look for and do our own copying it is
      more
      > or less free.
      > > 
      > > Personally, i am all for such services being free as it is a
      > expensive pursuit and it helps keep the costs to a minimum, there
      > are a number of Professional Genealogists who research for a
      living
      > but their fees can be rather costly.
      > > 
      > > The Institutions in question though to tend to be well organised
      > and have retained the records in good condition, unfortunately,
      this
      > doesn't apply to much to Guyana's Records Offices as they have
      been
      > starved of funds and have been neglected for decades.
      > > 
      > > There are a number of records in England and possibly in the
      > Netherlands, i know that a lot of their Surinamese records are
      > available online but i am not sure whether their records for
      Berbice
      > and Essequibo and Demerara are included.
      > > 
      > > I am also interested in seeing "Guiana 1838", it was released in
      > America last year but has still to be shown in the U.K.
      > > 
      > > It is currently being shown in Barbados and Trinidad and has
      > already been shown in Canada and Belize where it won the Belize
      Film
      > Festival prize.
      > > 
      > > I don't think it has been released onto DVD yet but it is still
      > being shown at selected Cinemas in the U.S. and Canada.
      > > 
      > > Some of the Filming was done at No. 63 Beach in Berbice and in
      > other local places, the rest was done in Canada and England.
      > > 
      > > I have read mixed reviews but this is mostly regarding the "in
      > story" storylines, regarding Historical accuracy and the story of
      > Slavery and Indenture this film is a must.
      > > 
      > > Regards
      > > 
      > > Jon
      > > 
      > >
      > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi all,
      > > Jon, thank you so much for taking the time to look for my
      > surnames!
      > > I really appreciate it. I was aware of a De Ryck family living
      in
      > > Hawaii but haven't found their connection to my line yet if
      any. 
      > We
      > > have a living relative in Belgium who tells me that the name is
      > not
      > > Dutch, as the Dutch name is spelled de Rijk. However, I always
      > > thought it was Dutch.
      > >
      > > Our De Ryck line's oldest ancestor was Louis De Ryck who is
      > > mentioned in some documents from Holland ca 18th century Guiana.
      > > Most of our family left Guyana in 1923 and 1926 for New York,
      many
      > > aboard the SS Mayaro.  The first De Ryck to come to the US was
      > Harry
      > > De Ryck who came for two years in 1905-1907 and then came again
      in
      > > 1923, then his wife and children 3 years later. Several uncles
      > > stayed longer where one owned a soda factory in Georgetown, but
      > now
      > > lives in Ontario. The De Ryck's and Busey's lived the rest of
      > their
      > > lives in New York City.
      > >
      > > Through immigration documents I know where the families lived in
      > > Georgetown in the early 1920s.  The Brummel family lived on
      > > Charlotte Street, De Ryck on South Road, and Busey on Water
      > Street.
      > >
      > > Our Henry DeRyck (ca. approx 1858 - 1900?) married a Christina
      > > Cushman.  His son Harry De Ryck (1878 to 1930) married Louise
      > > Busey.  The parents of Louise was John Ludwig Busey and Albertha
      > > Brummel. Among the immigration papers for Louise Busey De Ryck,
      > was
      > > a copy of the Register of her birth ca 1895 in Berbice.  It
      shows
      > > her father, John Busey, as a white creole planter and mother,
      > > Theresa Albertha Brummel, as a colored creole.  Under this is
      > > written what looks like "Phi. Ma Retraite" - I have no idea what
      > > this means. Unfortunately, this was the only Guyanese document
      > from
      > > in the packet. I have heard of John Brummel from another Brummel
      > > researcher but I am unsure if our ancestor, Theresa Albertha
      > Brummel
      > > was any relation to him. Without access to Guyanese records, I
      am
      > > not hopeful, but I will see if I can find anything on the
      > daughters
      > > you found on English or American records. Thanks so much!
      > >
      > > I actually got the address for the Registrar in Georgetown a few
      > > years ago from the Ancestry Guyana board and wrote to them.  I
      > > didn't receive a reply.  At one time, they also had a website
      but
      > > emails went unanswered.  I have thought about writing to a
      church
      > > for records, but have no idea what church to write to!  So for
      all
      > > of these reasons, I was excited to learn of the interest in a
      > Guyana
      > > Genealogical Society which I share.  I realize that to have an
      > > effective group, the support of the government offices and
      efforts
      > > of researchers there is vital, as that is where the records
      are. 
      > I
      > > wonder if anyone realizes that if they charged for genealogical
      > > services, it would pay for the preservation of what records are
      > > still in existence and perhaps even make some extra!  I would
      > > definately volunteer to transcribe and prepare documents for
      > online,
      > > but I can't get to Guyana to do that!  Perhaps the British and
      > Dutch
      > > have records from their presence there through the years - that
      > > would be another road to follow if indeed, they took some
      records
      > > back to their country with them.
      > >
      > > I just recently learned about the movie "Guiana 1838" and have
      > tried
      > > to find if a DVD is available, but can't find any source.  I
      doubt
      > > if I'll ever get to Guyana and would love to see the country
      even
      > if
      > > only on film.  I understand that some of the movie was shot in
      > > Berbice?
      > >
      > > Thanks so much for your help - hope this hasn't been too tooo
      long!
      > >
      > > Sharon
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
      > > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
      > > > Hello Sharon
      > > > 
      > > > I have seen what i was able to find out on the Surnames you
      > > provided.
      > > > 
      > > > I wasn't able to find too much on most of the names except for
      > > Brumell which i have found a number of leads on.
      > > > 
      > > > First of all on the other names i have found the following :
      > > > 
      > > > De Ryck - Do you have a relative called Irene De Ryck who was
      > born
      > > in 1940 and passed away in 1997 in Hawaii ?
      > > > 
      > > > Cushman - Various connections to Cushman in Guyana but hardly
      > any
      > > for Cashman, so i assume Cushman is your Relatives Surname.
      > > > 
      > > > Busey - Unable to find anything unfortunately.
      > > > 
      > > > Regarding the name Brumell, i have found the following :
      > > > 
      > > > John Brumell was a British colonial administrator who held the
      > > post of Sheriff of Demerara in the 1870s.
      > > >
      > > > His Daughter Majorie Brumell married a Portuguese Indentured
      > > worker from Madeira called Manuel Comacho.
      > > >
      > > > Another descendant is Gloria Brumell who comes from Triumph
      EBD
      > > whose Husband was behind the construction of the Abary Bridge.
      > > >
      > > > Another Relative was a Jane Eleanor Brumell who was born in
      > > Georgetown in 1869 and passed away in 1942, she married a Norman
      > > Newsam in 1895.
      > > > 
      > > > These are only small bits but may prove useful for your
      research.
      > > > 
      > > > Regards
      > > > 
      > > > Jon
      > > > 
      > > > 
      > > >
      > > > "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
      > > > Hello Sharon
      > > > 
      > > > It is almost impossible to do any research in Guyana.
      > > > 
      > > > The Record Offices are in a very bad state, a lot of records
      > have
      > > been damaged or lost through climatic conditions or through
      > general
      > > neglect over the years.
      > > > 
      > > > However, they still have a good number of records available
      and
      > > can provide details.
      > > > 
      > > > It is best to contact the Registrars for Births, Deaths and
      > > Marriages and the Archives for anything else.
      > > > 
      > > > I will look into your list of names and see if i can come
      across
      > > anything.
      > > > 
      > > > For a start the name De Ryck is of Dutch origin and the Dutch
      > > Colonised Guyana until the arrival of the British in the early
      > 19th
      > > Century.
      > > > 
      > > > I will see what i can find and get back to you in a few days.
      > > > 
      > > > Regards
      > > > 
      > > > Jon
      > > > 
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > I am doing research on my father-in-law's family who were from
      > > > Guyana.  They left in the late 1920s for the US.  Through US
      > > > immigration papers, I was able to find some info (which took
      > over
      > > 1
      > > > year to receive, by the way).  Still, there are many
      unanswered
      > > > questions - like marriage records, etc. 
      > > >
      > > > Will this genealogy society be based in Guyana or some other
      > > country? 
      > > > I have heard that it is almost impossible to do research
      outside
      > > of
      > > > Guyana - is that true?  
      > > >
      > > > The families I am researching are:  De Ryck, Busey (orignally
      > > planter
      > > > in Berbice), Brumell, and Cushman (or Cashman).  I am unsure
      of
      > > the
      > > > last surname because it is parents names handwritten on death
      > > > certificate and is difficult to read.
      > > >
      > > > What can we as members of this group, do to help get a society
      > > going?
      > > >
      > > > Sharon
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
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    • Jon - Budmart.co.uk
      Hello Sancho I will see what i can come up with. Just one thing, would there be any Portuguese connections ? The name is very common amongst those of Madeiran
      Message 2 of 29 , Apr 28 7:01 AM
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        Hello Sancho
         
        I will see what i can come up with.
         
        Just one thing, would there be any Portuguese connections ?
         
        The name is very common amongst those of Madeiran descent.
         
        Regards
         
        Jon
         

        Sancho of Nabaclis <childrenofsancho@...> wrote:

        J. H. De Ryck,  Compositor, Charlotte street...

        The British Guiana Directory for1879 - Georgetown, Demerara:  Printed by The Colonists Office. (Page 57)

        What I am trying to say is let us move forward.

        Jon
        See if you could find anything on Sancho - for Guyana, and English Speaking Caribbean Nations. thanks a million....

        "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:

        Hello Sharon
         
        A "White Creole" was a European who was born and raised in the West Indies.
         
        The term "Creole" was originally used to describe European West Indians who were of Spanish or French origin as to seperate them from Europeans of British origin.
         
        The term was later used to describe Africans who were born in the West Indies as opposed to being born in Africa.
         
        This is when they used the terms "White Creole", "Coloured Creole" and "Creole" do refer to the different "Native" peoples of the West Indies.
         
        It is nowadays just another term for anyone who is from the West Indies or to describe something such as Cuisine which is Native to the Region.
         
        "Ma Retraite" is of French origin and means "my retirement", French names were more common in the Islands but there are some places in Guyana with French names although some of these are from the time of the French occupation (during which the French founded the City of Longchamps, renamed Stabroek by the Dutch and then Georgetown by the British).
         
        Your Rootsweb idea sounds good, maybe it could become the "Official" website for the GG&BS if the Moderator agrees.
         
        We could all then have one place to refer to and to add bits and pieces and links.
         
        I suppose now the Society has been established we will need responsible members to act as Secretaries etc but we can't do anything until we hear back from the Moderator as it is his "baby" if you like and i wouldn't want to step on any toes !!
         
        I think your ideas are very good and will help the Society to advance all we need is the feedback and we can work something out.
         
        I have glanced at Rootsweb once or twice but have not looked at it fully, i will have a look at their set up and see what they can offer.
         
        Hope to hear from you all soon.
         
        Regards
         
        Jon
         


        Sharon <deuxchat@...> wrote:

        Hi Jon and all,
        Wow - I've learned so much from you....I always heard about Flemish
        painters and such and wondered what country they were from.  Now I
        know - AND know why the difference in spelling of the name and its
        origins!  And on top of that, now I know what colored creole means
        too! I sure appreciate it Jon.  This creates one more question for
        me though - Louise's father was listed as "white creole" so what
        does that mean?

        Thanks also for the meaning of the "Ma Retraite" words on Louise's
        Berbice birth certificate.  I would never have found out what it
        meant on my own!

        I just had a thought - to get going, why don't we create a website
        on Rootsweb?  Its free and we can post any records we have, photos,
        etc. there. 

        I would gladly volunteer to create it as I have done this for other
        genealogical socities. If you like this idea, let me know and I'll
        request a website from Rootsweb.  I can do the website myself, but
        for content, we'll all to agree that this would be a good first
        step, and then - and very important - we'll all have to contribute
        something for website content. To start off, contributions of photos
        of Guyana, or stories about the experience of living in Guyana,
        schools, history, etc, would be great.  This would establish a
        beginning for the society and provide an international "home" for
        concentrating on Guyanese genealogy.

        Hope to hear from the other members and their thoughts about the
        website!  (Thoughts - Do we need "officers", a mailing address and
        way to get new members via the web?)

        Thanks again for your help Jon!

        Sharon


        --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
        <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
        > Hello Sharon

        > No problem at all, i am glad you found the information of use.

        > Regarding the name De Ryck your Relative is partly right and i am
        also partly right.

        > The reason being that the name is actually Flemish and does
        originate from the Flanders Region of Belgium rather than from the
        Netherlands.

        > I am aware of this, the reason i refered to it as being Dutch is
        that at the time of your Ancestors arrival in South America Belgium
        did not exist as a Country and was part of the Netherlands,
        therefore they came from Holland rather than Belgium and Flemish is
        actually a dialect of Dutch that is spoken in the Northern half of
        Belgium.

        > So the De Rycks are kind of both Flemish and Dutch, depending on
        the period in question.

        > The "Ma Retraite" you were reffering to was a Plantation in
        Berbice and is now a small village.

        > This was proberly the birth place of Loiuse Busey De Ryck and the
        Plantation owned by John Busey.

        > As her Mother Teresa is mentioned as being a "Coloured Creole" she
        may be related to the other Brummel Family as this can be another
        term for someone who is Mulatto, therefore having a mixture of
        African and European blood.

        > Regarding Church records, the local Parish Church will be the best
        place to start, first of all you need to identify if they were Roman
        Catholic or Anglican or belonged to another Church.

        > You then need to find the local Church of that denomination in the
        area that they lived and there is a good chance that they will have
        some kind of record of your Family being resident in the Parish.

        > Concerning the Guyanese G & BS, i have just noticed that the Group
        name has been changed to this, so i guess we must already be members
        of the Society.

        > A lot of Institutions do charge for their services such as finding
        records or faxing, photocopying etc but generally as long as we know
        where to look and what to look for and do our own copying it is more
        or less free.

        > Personally, i am all for such services being free as it is a
        expensive pursuit and it helps keep the costs to a minimum, there
        are a number of Professional Genealogists who research for a living
        but their fees can be rather costly.

        > The Institutions in question though to tend to be well organised
        and have retained the records in good condition, unfortunately, this
        doesn't apply to much to Guyana's Records Offices as they have been
        starved of funds and have been neglected for decades.

        > There are a number of records in England and possibly in the
        Netherlands, i know that a lot of their Surinamese records are
        available online but i am not sure whether their records for Berbice
        and Essequibo and Demerara are included.

        > I am also interested in seeing "Guiana 1838", it was released in
        America last year but has still to be shown in the U.K.

        > It is currently being shown in Barbados and Trinidad and has
        already been shown in Canada and Belize where it won the Belize Film
        Festival prize.

        > I don't think it has been released onto DVD yet but it is still
        being shown at selected Cinemas in the U.S. and Canada.

        > Some of the Filming was done at No. 63 Beach in Berbice and in
        other local places, the rest was done in Canada and England.

        > I have read mixed reviews but this is mostly regarding the "in
        story" storylines, regarding Historical accuracy and the story of
        Slavery and Indenture this film is a must.

        > Regards

        > Jon

        >
        > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi all,
        > Jon, thank you so much for taking the time to look for my
        surnames!
        > I really appreciate it. I was aware of a De Ryck family living in
        > Hawaii but haven't found their connection to my line yet if any. 
        We
        > have a living relative in Belgium who tells me that the name is
        not
        > Dutch, as the Dutch name is spelled de Rijk. However, I always
        > thought it was Dutch.
        >
        > Our De Ryck line's oldest ancestor was Louis De Ryck who is
        > mentioned in some documents from Holland ca 18th century Guiana.
        > Most of our family left Guyana in 1923 and 1926 for New York, many
        > aboard the SS Mayaro.  The first De Ryck to come to the US was
        Harry
        > De Ryck who came for two years in 1905-1907 and then came again in
        > 1923, then his wife and children 3 years later. Several uncles
        > stayed longer where one owned a soda factory in Georgetown, but
        now
        > lives in Ontario. The De Ryck's and Busey's lived the rest of
        their
        > lives in New York City.
        >
        > Through immigration documents I know where the families lived in
        > Georgetown in the early 1920s.  The Brummel family lived on
        > Charlotte Street, De Ryck on South Road, and Busey on Water
        Street.
        >
        > Our Henry DeRyck (ca. approx 1858 - 1900?) married a Christina
        > Cushman.  His son Harry De Ryck (1878 to 1930) married Louise
        > Busey.  The parents of Louise was John Ludwig Busey and Albertha
        > Brummel. Among the immigration papers for Louise Busey De Ryck,
        was
        > a copy of the Register of her birth ca 1895 in Berbice.  It shows
        > her father, John Busey, as a white creole planter and mother,
        > Theresa Albertha Brummel, as a colored creole.  Under this is
        > written what looks like "Phi. Ma Retraite" - I have no idea what
        > this means. Unfortunately, this was the only Guyanese document
        from
        > in the packet. I have heard of John Brummel from another Brummel
        > researcher but I am unsure if our ancestor, Theresa Albertha
        Brummel
        > was any relation to him. Without access to Guyanese records, I am
        > not hopeful, but I will see if I can find anything on the
        daughters
        > you found on English or American records. Thanks so much!
        >
        > I actually got the address for the Registrar in Georgetown a few
        > years ago from the Ancestry Guyana board and wrote to them.  I
        > didn't receive a reply.  At one time, they also had a website but
        > emails went unanswered.  I have thought about writing to a church
        > for records, but have no idea what church to write to!  So for all
        > of these reasons, I was excited to learn of the interest in a
        Guyana
        > Genealogical Society which I share.  I realize that to have an
        > effective group, the support of the government offices and efforts
        > of researchers there is vital, as that is where the records are. 
        I
        > wonder if anyone realizes that if they charged for genealogical
        > services, it would pay for the preservation of what records are
        > still in existence and perhaps even make some extra!  I would
        > definately volunteer to transcribe and prepare documents for
        online,
        > but I can't get to Guyana to do that!  Perhaps the British and
        Dutch
        > have records from their presence there through the years - that
        > would be another road to follow if indeed, they took some records
        > back to their country with them.
        >
        > I just recently learned about the movie "Guiana 1838" and have
        tried
        > to find if a DVD is available, but can't find any source.  I doubt
        > if I'll ever get to Guyana and would love to see the country even
        if
        > only on film.  I understand that some of the movie was shot in
        > Berbice?
        >
        > Thanks so much for your help - hope this hasn't been too tooo long!
        >
        > Sharon
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
        > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
        > > Hello Sharon
        > > 
        > > I have seen what i was able to find out on the Surnames you
        > provided.
        > > 
        > > I wasn't able to find too much on most of the names except for
        > Brumell which i have found a number of leads on.
        > > 
        > > First of all on the other names i have found the following :
        > > 
        > > De Ryck - Do you have a relative called Irene De Ryck who was
        born
        > in 1940 and passed away in 1997 in Hawaii ?
        > > 
        > > Cushman - Various connections to Cushman in Guyana but hardly
        any
        > for Cashman, so i assume Cushman is your Relatives Surname.
        > > 
        > > Busey - Unable to find anything unfortunately.
        > > 
        > > Regarding the name Brumell, i have found the following :
        > > 
        > > John Brumell was a British colonial administrator who held the
        > post of Sheriff of Demerara in the 1870s.
        > >
        > > His Daughter Majorie Brumell married a Portuguese Indentured
        > worker from Madeira called Manuel Comacho.
        > >
        > > Another descendant is Gloria Brumell who comes from Triumph EBD
        > whose Husband was behind the construction of the Abary Bridge.
        > >
        > > Another Relative was a Jane Eleanor Brumell who was born in
        > Georgetown in 1869 and passed away in 1942, she married a Norman
        > Newsam in 1895.
        > > 
        > > These are only small bits but may prove useful for your research.
        > > 
        > > Regards
        > > 
        > > Jon
        > > 
        > > 
        > >
        > > "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
        > > Hello Sharon
        > > 
        > > It is almost impossible to do any research in Guyana.
        > > 
        > > The Record Offices are in a very bad state, a lot of records
        have
        > been damaged or lost through climatic conditions or through
        general
        > neglect over the years.
        > > 
        > > However, they still have a good number of records available and
        > can provide details.
        > > 
        > > It is best to contact the Registrars for Births, Deaths and
        > Marriages and the Archives for anything else.
        > > 
        > > I will look into your list of names and see if i can come across
        > anything.
        > > 
        > > For a start the name De Ryck is of Dutch origin and the Dutch
        > Colonised Guyana until the arrival of the British in the early
        19th
        > Century.
        > > 
        > > I will see what i can find and get back to you in a few days.
        > > 
        > > Regards
        > > 
        > > Jon
        > > 
        > >
        > >
        > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
        > >
        > > I am doing research on my father-in-law's family who were from
        > > Guyana.  They left in the late 1920s for the US.  Through US
        > > immigration papers, I was able to find some info (which took
        over
        > 1
        > > year to receive, by the way).  Still, there are many unanswered
        > > questions - like marriage records, etc. 
        > >
        > > Will this genealogy society be based in Guyana or some other
        > country? 
        > > I have heard that it is almost impossible to do research outside
        > of
        > > Guyana - is that true?  
        > >
        > > The families I am researching are:  De Ryck, Busey (orignally
        > planter
        > > in Berbice), Brumell, and Cushman (or Cashman).  I am unsure of
        > the
        > > last surname because it is parents names handwritten on death
        > > certificate and is difficult to read.
        > >
        > > What can we as members of this group, do to help get a society
        > going?
        > >
        > > Sharon
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
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      • Sharon
        Fortunately, our website look however we would like and you are so right....planning is absolutely essential and should be what the leaders/founders of this
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          Fortunately, our website look however we would like and you are so
          right....planning is absolutely essential and should be what the
          leaders/founders of this group want.

          In the meantime, I've looked to see what is already on Rootsweb re:
          Guyana. Under Guyana, there is one site listed - "Chinese in
          Guyana: Their Roots" which you can view at this link:
          http://www.rootsweb.com/~guycigtr/

          I am including some of the rules on for getting free space for our
          website at Rootsweb servers below:

          Historical and Genealogical Societies may request free web space for
          their organization. A society is defined as an organization that has
          a generally open membership and focuses on a region or ethnic group.

          Please remember that your use of RootsWeb's resources implicitly
          signifies agreement with RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy. Please
          read our usage policy at:
          http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html.

          This page may be printed out if the society's webmaster will need
          approval from their governing board.

          There are only a few rules that apply to free space at RootsWeb

          - Upload no copyrighted material, except with permission.

          - Upload no GEDCOMs or other pedigree-related material. These would
          take up too much space and should be uploaded to the WorldConnect
          and then linked to your web site.

          - Upload no commercial material.

          - The "no commercial material" rule is flexible, especially in the
          case of Genealogical Societies. You may go ahead and sell
          memberships, books, and research services.

          - The account belongs to the Genealogical/Historical Society. If a
          webmaster resigns, the account password will be reissued to an
          officer of the Society upon request.

          - If you wish to use affiliate links (those commercial links that
          pay you for the folks that click on them), you may only link to
          official My.Family/Ancestry affiliates. To learn more about this
          program, visit Ancestry's Partners Page.

          - Please don't use your RootsWeb space as a "dump" for material that
          won't fit on your main site elsewhere. Such practices can create a
          serious support problem for RootsWeb -- it is difficult to know if
          the site is still active , people accessing the site with an
          incomplete URL don't know where to start, etc. If you must split
          your site between RootsWeb and another server elsewhere, please
          maintain a main page on RootsWeb, preferably an index.htm or
          index.html, that provides access to the material hosted in the
          RootsWeb account, and links to your main page elsewhere. In
          addition, do n ot use RootsWeb space for a redirect page.

          - An acknowledgement that RootsWeb is hosting your site would be
          appreciated.





          --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
          <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
          > Hello Sharon
          >
          > Sancho has given the thumbs up so its almost all systems go !!
          >
          > I have voted in the poll to decide what happens next, hopefully
          the votes will be conclusive and we will be able to get a website up
          and running.
          >
          > Your link at Rootsweb looks impressive and gives us a impression
          of what the GG&BS site can look like.
          >
          > I can see this Group becoming more established.
          >
          > We don't want to rush too far ahead though as we need to carefully
          plan the layout and content of the site.
          >
          > I can see this being a well worthwhile project.
          >
          > Regards
          >
          > Jon
          >
          > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
          >
          > Thanks once again to Jon for teaching me about the terminology I
          am
          > unfamiliar with. I am so excited to learn about the terminology
          on
          > my family that I've read with no understanding until now.
          >
          > I will wait for the moderator's response about my idea for a
          Society
          > website at Rootsweb, as he is the founder and the office of the
          > group. Most genealogical socities have their websites sponsored
          at
          > Rootsweb because it is free. I've never incurred a limit on the
          > storage space for online photos or data nor for bandwidth used -
          it
          > is totally free for genealogical societies and for surname
          sites.
          > They also provide a guestbook where people can leave their
          thoughts,
          > etc. but it is not interactive. So the only thing missing is an
          > interactive message board, which other societies have had to pay
          for
          > or they have established a Yahoo group. We're ahead already by
          > having the group and members!
          >
          > I created a site for the Tishomingo County Mississippi
          Genealogical
          > Society 4 years ago and maintained it for 2 years. It sure looks
          > different now but I believe the content is still there. You can
          view
          > this site at - http://www.rootsweb.com/~mstchgs/index.htm
          >
          > Sharon
          >
          >
          > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
          > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
          > > Hello Sharon
          > >
          > > A "White Creole" was a European who was born and raised in the
          > West Indies.
          > >
          > > The term "Creole" was originally used to describe European West
          > Indians who were of Spanish or French origin as to seperate them
          > from Europeans of British origin.
          > >
          > > The term was later used to describe Africans who were born in
          the
          > West Indies as opposed to being born in Africa.
          > >
          > > This is when they used the terms "White Creole", "Coloured
          Creole"
          > and "Creole" do refer to the different "Native" peoples of the
          West
          > Indies.
          > >
          > > It is nowadays just another term for anyone who is from the West
          > Indies or to describe something such as Cuisine which is Native to
          > the Region.
          > >
          > > "Ma Retraite" is of French origin and means "my retirement",
          > French names were more common in the Islands but there are some
          > places in Guyana with French names although some of these are from
          > the time of the French occupation (during which the French founded
          > the City of Longchamps, renamed Stabroek by the Dutch and then
          > Georgetown by the British).
          > >
          > > Your Rootsweb idea sounds good, maybe it could become
          > the "Official" website for the GG&BS if the Moderator agrees.
          > >
          > > We could all then have one place to refer to and to add bits and
          > pieces and links.
          > >
          > > I suppose now the Society has been established we will need
          > responsible members to act as Secretaries etc but we can't do
          > anything until we hear back from the Moderator as it is his "baby"
          > if you like and i wouldn't want to step on any toes !!
          > >
          > > I think your ideas are very good and will help the Society to
          > advance all we need is the feedback and we can work something out.
          > >
          > > I have glanced at Rootsweb once or twice but have not looked at
          it
          > fully, i will have a look at their set up and see what they can
          > offer.
          > >
          > > Hope to hear from you all soon.
          > >
          > > Regards
          > >
          > > Jon
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
          > >
          > > Hi Jon and all,
          > > Wow - I've learned so much from you....I always heard about
          > Flemish
          > > painters and such and wondered what country they were from. Now
          I
          > > know - AND know why the difference in spelling of the name and
          its
          > > origins! And on top of that, now I know what colored creole
          means
          > > too! I sure appreciate it Jon. This creates one more question
          for
          > > me though - Louise's father was listed as "white creole" so what
          > > does that mean?
          > >
          > > Thanks also for the meaning of the "Ma Retraite" words on
          Louise's
          > > Berbice birth certificate. I would never have found out what it
          > > meant on my own!
          > >
          > > I just had a thought - to get going, why don't we create a
          website
          > > on Rootsweb? Its free and we can post any records we have,
          > photos,
          > > etc. there.
          > >
          > > I would gladly volunteer to create it as I have done this for
          > other
          > > genealogical socities. If you like this idea, let me know and
          I'll
          > > request a website from Rootsweb. I can do the website myself,
          but
          > > for content, we'll all to agree that this would be a good first
          > > step, and then - and very important - we'll all have to
          contribute
          > > something for website content. To start off, contributions of
          > photos
          > > of Guyana, or stories about the experience of living in Guyana,
          > > schools, history, etc, would be great. This would establish a
          > > beginning for the society and provide an international "home"
          for
          > > concentrating on Guyanese genealogy.
          > >
          > > Hope to hear from the other members and their thoughts about the
          > > website! (Thoughts - Do we need "officers", a mailing address
          and
          > > way to get new members via the web?)
          > >
          > > Thanks again for your help Jon!
          > >
          > > Sharon
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
          > > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
          > > > Hello Sharon
          > > >
          > > > No problem at all, i am glad you found the information of use.
          > > >
          > > > Regarding the name De Ryck your Relative is partly right and i
          > am
          > > also partly right.
          > > >
          > > > The reason being that the name is actually Flemish and does
          > > originate from the Flanders Region of Belgium rather than from
          the
          > > Netherlands.
          > > >
          > > > I am aware of this, the reason i refered to it as being Dutch
          is
          > > that at the time of your Ancestors arrival in South America
          > Belgium
          > > did not exist as a Country and was part of the Netherlands,
          > > therefore they came from Holland rather than Belgium and Flemish
          > is
          > > actually a dialect of Dutch that is spoken in the Northern half
          of
          > > Belgium.
          > > >
          > > > So the De Rycks are kind of both Flemish and Dutch, depending
          on
          > > the period in question.
          > > >
          > > > The "Ma Retraite" you were reffering to was a Plantation in
          > > Berbice and is now a small village.
          > > >
          > > > This was proberly the birth place of Loiuse Busey De Ryck and
          > the
          > > Plantation owned by John Busey.
          > > >
          > > > As her Mother Teresa is mentioned as being a "Coloured Creole"
          > she
          > > may be related to the other Brummel Family as this can be
          another
          > > term for someone who is Mulatto, therefore having a mixture of
          > > African and European blood.
          > > >
          > > > Regarding Church records, the local Parish Church will be the
          > best
          > > place to start, first of all you need to identify if they were
          > Roman
          > > Catholic or Anglican or belonged to another Church.
          > > >
          > > > You then need to find the local Church of that denomination in
          > the
          > > area that they lived and there is a good chance that they will
          > have
          > > some kind of record of your Family being resident in the Parish.
          > > >
          > > > Concerning the Guyanese G & BS, i have just noticed that the
          > Group
          > > name has been changed to this, so i guess we must already be
          > members
          > > of the Society.
          > > >
          > > > A lot of Institutions do charge for their services such as
          > finding
          > > records or faxing, photocopying etc but generally as long as we
          > know
          > > where to look and what to look for and do our own copying it is
          > more
          > > or less free.
          > > >
          > > > Personally, i am all for such services being free as it is a
          > > expensive pursuit and it helps keep the costs to a minimum,
          there
          > > are a number of Professional Genealogists who research for a
          > living
          > > but their fees can be rather costly.
          > > >
          > > > The Institutions in question though to tend to be well
          organised
          > > and have retained the records in good condition, unfortunately,
          > this
          > > doesn't apply to much to Guyana's Records Offices as they have
          > been
          > > starved of funds and have been neglected for decades.
          > > >
          > > > There are a number of records in England and possibly in the
          > > Netherlands, i know that a lot of their Surinamese records are
          > > available online but i am not sure whether their records for
          > Berbice
          > > and Essequibo and Demerara are included.
          > > >
          > > > I am also interested in seeing "Guiana 1838", it was released
          in
          > > America last year but has still to be shown in the U.K.
          > > >
          > > > It is currently being shown in Barbados and Trinidad and has
          > > already been shown in Canada and Belize where it won the Belize
          > Film
          > > Festival prize.
          > > >
          > > > I don't think it has been released onto DVD yet but it is
          still
          > > being shown at selected Cinemas in the U.S. and Canada.
          > > >
          > > > Some of the Filming was done at No. 63 Beach in Berbice and in
          > > other local places, the rest was done in Canada and England.
          > > >
          > > > I have read mixed reviews but this is mostly regarding the "in
          > > story" storylines, regarding Historical accuracy and the story
          of
          > > Slavery and Indenture this film is a must.
          > > >
          > > > Regards
          > > >
          > > > Jon
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Hi all,
          > > > Jon, thank you so much for taking the time to look for my
          > > surnames!
          > > > I really appreciate it. I was aware of a De Ryck family living
          > in
          > > > Hawaii but haven't found their connection to my line yet if
          > any.
          > > We
          > > > have a living relative in Belgium who tells me that the name
          is
          > > not
          > > > Dutch, as the Dutch name is spelled de Rijk. However, I always
          > > > thought it was Dutch.
          > > >
          > > > Our De Ryck line's oldest ancestor was Louis De Ryck who is
          > > > mentioned in some documents from Holland ca 18th century
          Guiana.
          > > > Most of our family left Guyana in 1923 and 1926 for New York,
          > many
          > > > aboard the SS Mayaro. The first De Ryck to come to the US was
          > > Harry
          > > > De Ryck who came for two years in 1905-1907 and then came
          again
          > in
          > > > 1923, then his wife and children 3 years later. Several uncles
          > > > stayed longer where one owned a soda factory in Georgetown,
          but
          > > now
          > > > lives in Ontario. The De Ryck's and Busey's lived the rest of
          > > their
          > > > lives in New York City.
          > > >
          > > > Through immigration documents I know where the families lived
          in
          > > > Georgetown in the early 1920s. The Brummel family lived on
          > > > Charlotte Street, De Ryck on South Road, and Busey on Water
          > > Street.
          > > >
          > > > Our Henry DeRyck (ca. approx 1858 - 1900?) married a Christina
          > > > Cushman. His son Harry De Ryck (1878 to 1930) married Louise
          > > > Busey. The parents of Louise was John Ludwig Busey and
          Albertha
          > > > Brummel. Among the immigration papers for Louise Busey De
          Ryck,
          > > was
          > > > a copy of the Register of her birth ca 1895 in Berbice. It
          > shows
          > > > her father, John Busey, as a white creole planter and mother,
          > > > Theresa Albertha Brummel, as a colored creole. Under this is
          > > > written what looks like "Phi. Ma Retraite" - I have no idea
          what
          > > > this means. Unfortunately, this was the only Guyanese document
          > > from
          > > > in the packet. I have heard of John Brummel from another
          Brummel
          > > > researcher but I am unsure if our ancestor, Theresa Albertha
          > > Brummel
          > > > was any relation to him. Without access to Guyanese records, I
          > am
          > > > not hopeful, but I will see if I can find anything on the
          > > daughters
          > > > you found on English or American records. Thanks so much!
          > > >
          > > > I actually got the address for the Registrar in Georgetown a
          few
          > > > years ago from the Ancestry Guyana board and wrote to them. I
          > > > didn't receive a reply. At one time, they also had a website
          > but
          > > > emails went unanswered. I have thought about writing to a
          > church
          > > > for records, but have no idea what church to write to! So for
          > all
          > > > of these reasons, I was excited to learn of the interest in a
          > > Guyana
          > > > Genealogical Society which I share. I realize that to have an
          > > > effective group, the support of the government offices and
          > efforts
          > > > of researchers there is vital, as that is where the records
          > are.
          > > I
          > > > wonder if anyone realizes that if they charged for
          genealogical
          > > > services, it would pay for the preservation of what records
          are
          > > > still in existence and perhaps even make some extra! I would
          > > > definately volunteer to transcribe and prepare documents for
          > > online,
          > > > but I can't get to Guyana to do that! Perhaps the British and
          > > Dutch
          > > > have records from their presence there through the years -
          that
          > > > would be another road to follow if indeed, they took some
          > records
          > > > back to their country with them.
          > > >
          > > > I just recently learned about the movie "Guiana 1838" and have
          > > tried
          > > > to find if a DVD is available, but can't find any source. I
          > doubt
          > > > if I'll ever get to Guyana and would love to see the country
          > even
          > > if
          > > > only on film. I understand that some of the movie was shot in
          > > > Berbice?
          > > >
          > > > Thanks so much for your help - hope this hasn't been too tooo
          > long!
          > > >
          > > > Sharon
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon -
          Budmart.co.uk"
          > > > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
          > > > > Hello Sharon
          > > > >
          > > > > I have seen what i was able to find out on the Surnames you
          > > > provided.
          > > > >
          > > > > I wasn't able to find too much on most of the names except
          for
          > > > Brumell which i have found a number of leads on.
          > > > >
          > > > > First of all on the other names i have found the following :
          > > > >
          > > > > De Ryck - Do you have a relative called Irene De Ryck who
          was
          > > born
          > > > in 1940 and passed away in 1997 in Hawaii ?
          > > > >
          > > > > Cushman - Various connections to Cushman in Guyana but
          hardly
          > > any
          > > > for Cashman, so i assume Cushman is your Relatives Surname.
          > > > >
          > > > > Busey - Unable to find anything unfortunately.
          > > > >
          > > > > Regarding the name Brumell, i have found the following :
          > > > >
          > > > > John Brumell was a British colonial administrator who held
          the
          > > > post of Sheriff of Demerara in the 1870s.
          > > > >
          > > > > His Daughter Majorie Brumell married a Portuguese Indentured
          > > > worker from Madeira called Manuel Comacho.
          > > > >
          > > > > Another descendant is Gloria Brumell who comes from Triumph
          > EBD
          > > > whose Husband was behind the construction of the Abary Bridge.
          > > > >
          > > > > Another Relative was a Jane Eleanor Brumell who was born in
          > > > Georgetown in 1869 and passed away in 1942, she married a
          Norman
          > > > Newsam in 1895.
          > > > >
          > > > > These are only small bits but may prove useful for your
          > research.
          > > > >
          > > > > Regards
          > > > >
          > > > > Jon
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
          > > > > Hello Sharon
          > > > >
          > > > > It is almost impossible to do any research in Guyana.
          > > > >
          > > > > The Record Offices are in a very bad state, a lot of records
          > > have
          > > > been damaged or lost through climatic conditions or through
          > > general
          > > > neglect over the years.
          > > > >
          > > > > However, they still have a good number of records available
          > and
          > > > can provide details.
          > > > >
          > > > > It is best to contact the Registrars for Births, Deaths and
          > > > Marriages and the Archives for anything else.
          > > > >
          > > > > I will look into your list of names and see if i can come
          > across
          > > > anything.
          > > > >
          > > > > For a start the name De Ryck is of Dutch origin and the
          Dutch
          > > > Colonised Guyana until the arrival of the British in the early
          > > 19th
          > > > Century.
          > > > >
          > > > > I will see what i can find and get back to you in a few days.
          > > > >
          > > > > Regards
          > > > >
          > > > > Jon
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > I am doing research on my father-in-law's family who were
          from
          > > > > Guyana. They left in the late 1920s for the US. Through US
          > > > > immigration papers, I was able to find some info (which took
          > > over
          > > > 1
          > > > > year to receive, by the way). Still, there are many
          > unanswered
          > > > > questions - like marriage records, etc.
          > > > >
          > > > > Will this genealogy society be based in Guyana or some other
          > > > country?
          > > > > I have heard that it is almost impossible to do research
          > outside
          > > > of
          > > > > Guyana - is that true?
          > > > >
          > > > > The families I am researching are: De Ryck, Busey
          (orignally
          > > > planter
          > > > > in Berbice), Brumell, and Cushman (or Cashman). I am unsure
          > of
          > > > the
          > > > > last surname because it is parents names handwritten on
          death
          > > > > certificate and is difficult to read.
          > > > >
          > > > > What can we as members of this group, do to help get a
          society
          > > > going?
          > > > >
          > > > > Sharon
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Visit Budmart.co.uk for all your Collecting needs !
          > > > >
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          > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/guyanese_genealogy/
          > > > >
          > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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          > > > >
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          > >
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          > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/guyanese_genealogy/
          > >
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        • Richard B. Cheddie
          I think that the rest of Guyana is under the www.genforum.com server. Cheddie
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            I think that the rest of Guyana is under the www.genforum.com server.

            Cheddie
          • Jon - Budmart.co.uk
            Hello Sharon The Chinese in Guyana website is Trevor Quan-A-Sue s site, one i have looked at many times and a excellant resource. Some of it s information can
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              Hello Sharon
               
              The Chinese in Guyana website is Trevor Quan-A-Sue's site, one i have looked at many times and a excellant resource.
               
              Some of it's information can be crossed referenced and used by all Ethnic Groups in Guyana.
               
              The terms and conditions for Rootsweb look very reasonable especially when they are offering free hosting and unlimited webspace.
               
              The only exception that isn't too much of a problem is regarding copyright, sometimes it is difficult to know whether some things are copyrighted or not but it is something that can be sorted out without too much trouble.
               
              As soon as the poll is concluded we can make further arrangements.
               
              Regards
               
              Jon

              Sharon <deuxchat@...> wrote:
              Fortunately, our website look however we would like and you are so
              right....planning is absolutely essential and should be what the
              leaders/founders of this group want.

              In the meantime, I've looked to see what is already on Rootsweb re:
              Guyana.  Under Guyana, there is one site listed - "Chinese in
              Guyana: Their Roots" which you can view at this link:  
              http://www.rootsweb.com/~guycigtr/

              I am including some of the rules on for getting free space for our
              website at Rootsweb servers below:

              Historical and Genealogical Societies may request free web space for
              their organization. A society is defined as an organization that has
              a generally open membership and focuses on a region or ethnic group.

              Please remember that your use of RootsWeb's resources implicitly
              signifies agreement with RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy. Please
              read our usage policy at:
              http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html.

              This page may be printed out if the society's webmaster will need
              approval from their governing board.

              There are only a few rules that apply to free space at RootsWeb

              - Upload no copyrighted material, except with permission.

              - Upload no GEDCOMs or other pedigree-related material. These would
              take up too much space and should be uploaded to the WorldConnect
              and then linked to your web site.

              - Upload no commercial material.

              - The "no commercial material" rule is flexible, especially in the
              case of Genealogical Societies. You may go ahead and sell
              memberships, books, and research services.

              - The account belongs to the Genealogical/Historical Society. If a
              webmaster resigns, the account password will be reissued to an
              officer of the Society upon request.

              - If you wish to use affiliate links (those commercial links that
              pay you for the folks that click on them), you may only link to
              official My.Family/Ancestry affiliates. To learn more about this
              program, visit Ancestry's Partners Page.

              - Please don't use your RootsWeb space as a "dump" for material that
              won't fit on your main site elsewhere. Such practices can create a
              serious support problem for RootsWeb -- it is difficult to know if
              the site is still active , people accessing the site with an
              incomplete URL don't know where to start, etc. If you must split
              your site between RootsWeb and another server elsewhere, please
              maintain a main page on RootsWeb, preferably an index.htm or
              index.html, that provides access to the material hosted in the
              RootsWeb account, and links to your main page elsewhere. In
              addition, do n ot use RootsWeb space for a redirect page.

              - An acknowledgement that RootsWeb is hosting your site would be
              appreciated.





              --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
              <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
              > Hello Sharon

              > Sancho has given the thumbs up so its almost all systems go !!

              > I have voted in the poll to decide what happens next, hopefully
              the votes will be conclusive and we will be able to get a website up
              and running.

              > Your link at Rootsweb looks impressive and gives us a impression
              of what the GG&BS site can look like.

              > I can see this Group becoming more established.

              > We don't want to rush too far ahead though as we need to carefully
              plan the layout and content of the site.

              > I can see this being a well worthwhile project.

              > Regards

              > Jon
              >
              > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
              >
              > Thanks once again to Jon for teaching me about the terminology I
              am
              > unfamiliar with.  I am so excited to learn about the terminology
              on
              > my family that I've read with no understanding until now.
              >
              > I will wait for the moderator's response about my idea for a
              Society
              > website at Rootsweb, as he is the founder and the office of the
              > group.  Most genealogical socities have their websites sponsored
              at
              > Rootsweb because it is free.  I've never incurred a limit on the
              > storage space for online photos or data nor for bandwidth used -
              it
              > is totally free for genealogical societies and for surname
              sites.   
              > They also provide a guestbook where people can leave their
              thoughts,
              > etc. but it is not interactive.  So the only thing missing is an
              > interactive message board, which other societies have had to pay
              for
              > or they have established a Yahoo group.  We're ahead already by
              > having the group and members!
              >
              > I created a site for the Tishomingo County Mississippi
              Genealogical
              > Society 4 years ago and maintained it for 2 years.  It sure looks
              > different now but I believe the content is still there. You can
              view
              > this site at - http://www.rootsweb.com/~mstchgs/index.htm
              >
              > Sharon
              >
              >
              > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
              > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
              > > Hello Sharon
              > > 
              > > A "White Creole" was a European who was born and raised in the
              > West Indies.
              > > 
              > > The term "Creole" was originally used to describe European West
              > Indians who were of Spanish or French origin as to seperate them
              > from Europeans of British origin.
              > > 
              > > The term was later used to describe Africans who were born in
              the
              > West Indies as opposed to being born in Africa.
              > > 
              > > This is when they used the terms "White Creole", "Coloured
              Creole"
              > and "Creole" do refer to the different "Native" peoples of the
              West
              > Indies.
              > > 
              > > It is nowadays just another term for anyone who is from the West
              > Indies or to describe something such as Cuisine which is Native to
              > the Region.
              > > 
              > > "Ma Retraite" is of French origin and means "my retirement",
              > French names were more common in the Islands but there are some
              > places in Guyana with French names although some of these are from
              > the time of the French occupation (during which the French founded
              > the City of Longchamps, renamed Stabroek by the Dutch and then
              > Georgetown by the British).
              > > 
              > > Your Rootsweb idea sounds good, maybe it could become
              > the "Official" website for the GG&BS if the Moderator agrees.
              > > 
              > > We could all then have one place to refer to and to add bits and
              > pieces and links.
              > > 
              > > I suppose now the Society has been established we will need
              > responsible members to act as Secretaries etc but we can't do
              > anything until we hear back from the Moderator as it is his "baby"
              > if you like and i wouldn't want to step on any toes !!
              > > 
              > > I think your ideas are very good and will help the Society to
              > advance all we need is the feedback and we can work something out.
              > > 
              > > I have glanced at Rootsweb once or twice but have not looked at
              it
              > fully, i will have a look at their set up and see what they can
              > offer.
              > > 
              > > Hope to hear from you all soon.
              > > 
              > > Regards
              > > 
              > > Jon
              > > 
              > >
              > >
              > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
              > >
              > > Hi Jon and all,
              > > Wow - I've learned so much from you....I always heard about
              > Flemish
              > > painters and such and wondered what country they were from.  Now
              I
              > > know - AND know why the difference in spelling of the name and
              its
              > > origins!  And on top of that, now I know what colored creole
              means
              > > too! I sure appreciate it Jon.  This creates one more question
              for
              > > me though - Louise's father was listed as "white creole" so what
              > > does that mean?
              > >
              > > Thanks also for the meaning of the "Ma Retraite" words on
              Louise's
              > > Berbice birth certificate.  I would never have found out what it
              > > meant on my own!
              > >
              > > I just had a thought - to get going, why don't we create a
              website
              > > on Rootsweb?  Its free and we can post any records we have,
              > photos,
              > > etc. there. 
              > >
              > > I would gladly volunteer to create it as I have done this for
              > other
              > > genealogical socities. If you like this idea, let me know and
              I'll
              > > request a website from Rootsweb.  I can do the website myself,
              but
              > > for content, we'll all to agree that this would be a good first
              > > step, and then - and very important - we'll all have to
              contribute
              > > something for website content. To start off, contributions of
              > photos
              > > of Guyana, or stories about the experience of living in Guyana,
              > > schools, history, etc, would be great.  This would establish a
              > > beginning for the society and provide an international "home"
              for
              > > concentrating on Guyanese genealogy.
              > >
              > > Hope to hear from the other members and their thoughts about the
              > > website!  (Thoughts - Do we need "officers", a mailing address
              and
              > > way to get new members via the web?)
              > >
              > > Thanks again for your help Jon!
              > >
              > > Sharon
              > >
              > >
              > > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
              > > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
              > > > Hello Sharon
              > > > 
              > > > No problem at all, i am glad you found the information of use.
              > > > 
              > > > Regarding the name De Ryck your Relative is partly right and i
              > am
              > > also partly right.
              > > > 
              > > > The reason being that the name is actually Flemish and does
              > > originate from the Flanders Region of Belgium rather than from
              the
              > > Netherlands.
              > > > 
              > > > I am aware of this, the reason i refered to it as being Dutch
              is
              > > that at the time of your Ancestors arrival in South America
              > Belgium
              > > did not exist as a Country and was part of the Netherlands,
              > > therefore they came from Holland rather than Belgium and Flemish
              > is
              > > actually a dialect of Dutch that is spoken in the Northern half
              of
              > > Belgium.
              > > > 
              > > > So the De Rycks are kind of both Flemish and Dutch, depending
              on
              > > the period in question.
              > > > 
              > > > The "Ma Retraite" you were reffering to was a Plantation in
              > > Berbice and is now a small village.
              > > > 
              > > > This was proberly the birth place of Loiuse Busey De Ryck and
              > the
              > > Plantation owned by John Busey.
              > > > 
              > > > As her Mother Teresa is mentioned as being a "Coloured Creole"
              > she
              > > may be related to the other Brummel Family as this can be
              another
              > > term for someone who is Mulatto, therefore having a mixture of
              > > African and European blood.
              > > > 
              > > > Regarding Church records, the local Parish Church will be the
              > best
              > > place to start, first of all you need to identify if they were
              > Roman
              > > Catholic or Anglican or belonged to another Church.
              > > > 
              > > > You then need to find the local Church of that denomination in
              > the
              > > area that they lived and there is a good chance that they will
              > have
              > > some kind of record of your Family being resident in the Parish.
              > > > 
              > > > Concerning the Guyanese G & BS, i have just noticed that the
              > Group
              > > name has been changed to this, so i guess we must already be
              > members
              > > of the Society.
              > > > 
              > > > A lot of Institutions do charge for their services such as
              > finding
              > > records or faxing, photocopying etc but generally as long as we
              > know
              > > where to look and what to look for and do our own copying it is
              > more
              > > or less free.
              > > > 
              > > > Personally, i am all for such services being free as it is a
              > > expensive pursuit and it helps keep the costs to a minimum,
              there
              > > are a number of Professional Genealogists who research for a
              > living
              > > but their fees can be rather costly.
              > > > 
              > > > The Institutions in question though to tend to be well
              organised
              > > and have retained the records in good condition, unfortunately,
              > this
              > > doesn't apply to much to Guyana's Records Offices as they have
              > been
              > > starved of funds and have been neglected for decades.
              > > > 
              > > > There are a number of records in England and possibly in the
              > > Netherlands, i know that a lot of their Surinamese records are
              > > available online but i am not sure whether their records for
              > Berbice
              > > and Essequibo and Demerara are included.
              > > > 
              > > > I am also interested in seeing "Guiana 1838", it was released
              in
              > > America last year but has still to be shown in the U.K.
              > > > 
              > > > It is currently being shown in Barbados and Trinidad and has
              > > already been shown in Canada and Belize where it won the Belize
              > Film
              > > Festival prize.
              > > > 
              > > > I don't think it has been released onto DVD yet but it is
              still
              > > being shown at selected Cinemas in the U.S. and Canada.
              > > > 
              > > > Some of the Filming was done at No. 63 Beach in Berbice and in
              > > other local places, the rest was done in Canada and England.
              > > > 
              > > > I have read mixed reviews but this is mostly regarding the "in
              > > story" storylines, regarding Historical accuracy and the story
              of
              > > Slavery and Indenture this film is a must.
              > > > 
              > > > Regards
              > > > 
              > > > Jon
              > > > 
              > > >
              > > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Hi all,
              > > > Jon, thank you so much for taking the time to look for my
              > > surnames!
              > > > I really appreciate it. I was aware of a De Ryck family living
              > in
              > > > Hawaii but haven't found their connection to my line yet if
              > any. 
              > > We
              > > > have a living relative in Belgium who tells me that the name
              is
              > > not
              > > > Dutch, as the Dutch name is spelled de Rijk. However, I always
              > > > thought it was Dutch.
              > > >
              > > > Our De Ryck line's oldest ancestor was Louis De Ryck who is
              > > > mentioned in some documents from Holland ca 18th century
              Guiana.
              > > > Most of our family left Guyana in 1923 and 1926 for New York,
              > many
              > > > aboard the SS Mayaro.  The first De Ryck to come to the US was
              > > Harry
              > > > De Ryck who came for two years in 1905-1907 and then came
              again
              > in
              > > > 1923, then his wife and children 3 years later. Several uncles
              > > > stayed longer where one owned a soda factory in Georgetown,
              but
              > > now
              > > > lives in Ontario. The De Ryck's and Busey's lived the rest of
              > > their
              > > > lives in New York City.
              > > >
              > > > Through immigration documents I know where the families lived
              in
              > > > Georgetown in the early 1920s.  The Brummel family lived on
              > > > Charlotte Street, De Ryck on South Road, and Busey on Water
              > > Street.
              > > >
              > > > Our Henry DeRyck (ca. approx 1858 - 1900?) married a Christina
              > > > Cushman.  His son Harry De Ryck (1878 to 1930) married Louise
              > > > Busey.  The parents of Louise was John Ludwig Busey and
              Albertha
              > > > Brummel. Among the immigration papers for Louise Busey De
              Ryck,
              > > was
              > > > a copy of the Register of her birth ca 1895 in Berbice.  It
              > shows
              > > > her father, John Busey, as a white creole planter and mother,
              > > > Theresa Albertha Brummel, as a colored creole.  Under this is
              > > > written what looks like "Phi. Ma Retraite" - I have no idea
              what
              > > > this means. Unfortunately, this was the only Guyanese document
              > > from
              > > > in the packet. I have heard of John Brummel from another
              Brummel
              > > > researcher but I am unsure if our ancestor, Theresa Albertha
              > > Brummel
              > > > was any relation to him. Without access to Guyanese records, I
              > am
              > > > not hopeful, but I will see if I can find anything on the
              > > daughters
              > > > you found on English or American records. Thanks so much!
              > > >
              > > > I actually got the address for the Registrar in Georgetown a
              few
              > > > years ago from the Ancestry Guyana board and wrote to them.  I
              > > > didn't receive a reply.  At one time, they also had a website
              > but
              > > > emails went unanswered.  I have thought about writing to a
              > church
              > > > for records, but have no idea what church to write to!  So for
              > all
              > > > of these reasons, I was excited to learn of the interest in a
              > > Guyana
              > > > Genealogical Society which I share.  I realize that to have an
              > > > effective group, the support of the government offices and
              > efforts
              > > > of researchers there is vital, as that is where the records
              > are. 
              > > I
              > > > wonder if anyone realizes that if they charged for
              genealogical
              > > > services, it would pay for the preservation of what records
              are
              > > > still in existence and perhaps even make some extra!  I would
              > > > definately volunteer to transcribe and prepare documents for
              > > online,
              > > > but I can't get to Guyana to do that!  Perhaps the British and
              > > Dutch
              > > > have records from their presence there through the years -
              that
              > > > would be another road to follow if indeed, they took some
              > records
              > > > back to their country with them.
              > > >
              > > > I just recently learned about the movie "Guiana 1838" and have
              > > tried
              > > > to find if a DVD is available, but can't find any source.  I
              > doubt
              > > > if I'll ever get to Guyana and would love to see the country
              > even
              > > if
              > > > only on film.  I understand that some of the movie was shot in
              > > > Berbice?
              > > >
              > > > Thanks so much for your help - hope this hasn't been too tooo
              > long!
              > > >
              > > > Sharon
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon -
              Budmart.co.uk"
              > > > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
              > > > > Hello Sharon
              > > > > 
              > > > > I have seen what i was able to find out on the Surnames you
              > > > provided.
              > > > > 
              > > > > I wasn't able to find too much on most of the names except
              for
              > > > Brumell which i have found a number of leads on.
              > > > > 
              > > > > First of all on the other names i have found the following :
              > > > > 
              > > > > De Ryck - Do you have a relative called Irene De Ryck who
              was
              > > born
              > > > in 1940 and passed away in 1997 in Hawaii ?
              > > > > 
              > > > > Cushman - Various connections to Cushman in Guyana but
              hardly
              > > any
              > > > for Cashman, so i assume Cushman is your Relatives Surname.
              > > > > 
              > > > > Busey - Unable to find anything unfortunately.
              > > > > 
              > > > > Regarding the name Brumell, i have found the following :
              > > > > 
              > > > > John Brumell was a British colonial administrator who held
              the
              > > > post of Sheriff of Demerara in the 1870s.
              > > > >
              > > > > His Daughter Majorie Brumell married a Portuguese Indentured
              > > > worker from Madeira called Manuel Comacho.
              > > > >
              > > > > Another descendant is Gloria Brumell who comes from Triumph
              > EBD
              > > > whose Husband was behind the construction of the Abary Bridge.
              > > > >
              > > > > Another Relative was a Jane Eleanor Brumell who was born in
              > > > Georgetown in 1869 and passed away in 1942, she married a
              Norman
              > > > Newsam in 1895.
              > > > > 
              > > > > These are only small bits but may prove useful for your
              > research.
              > > > > 
              > > > > Regards
              > > > > 
              > > > > Jon
              > > > > 
              > > > > 
              > > > >
              > > > > "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
              > > > > Hello Sharon
              > > > > 
              > > > > It is almost impossible to do any research in Guyana.
              > > > > 
              > > > > The Record Offices are in a very bad state, a lot of records
              > > have
              > > > been damaged or lost through climatic conditions or through
              > > general
              > > > neglect over the years.
              > > > > 
              > > > > However, they still have a good number of records available
              > and
              > > > can provide details.
              > > > > 
              > > > > It is best to contact the Registrars for Births, Deaths and
              > > > Marriages and the Archives for anything else.
              > > > > 
              > > > > I will look into your list of names and see if i can come
              > across
              > > > anything.
              > > > > 
              > > > > For a start the name De Ryck is of Dutch origin and the
              Dutch
              > > > Colonised Guyana until the arrival of the British in the early
              > > 19th
              > > > Century.
              > > > > 
              > > > > I will see what i can find and get back to you in a few days.
              > > > > 
              > > > > Regards
              > > > > 
              > > > > Jon
              > > > > 
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > I am doing research on my father-in-law's family who were
              from
              > > > > Guyana.  They left in the late 1920s for the US.  Through US
              > > > > immigration papers, I was able to find some info (which took
              > > over
              > > > 1
              > > > > year to receive, by the way).  Still, there are many
              > unanswered
              > > > > questions - like marriage records, etc. 
              > > > >
              > > > > Will this genealogy society be based in Guyana or some other
              > > > country? 
              > > > > I have heard that it is almost impossible to do research
              > outside
              > > > of
              > > > > Guyana - is that true?  
              > > > >
              > > > > The families I am researching are:  De Ryck, Busey
              (orignally
              > > > planter
              > > > > in Berbice), Brumell, and Cushman (or Cashman).  I am unsure
              > of
              > > > the
              > > > > last surname because it is parents names handwritten on
              death
              > > > > certificate and is difficult to read.
              > > > >
              > > > > What can we as members of this group, do to help get a
              society
              > > > going?
              > > > >
              > > > > Sharon
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
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            • Sancho of Nabaclis
              Hi Jon, Keep an open mind and eye - I look all all folks surnamed Sancho. I believe my foreparents got that surname in England after Ignatius Sancho 1729-1780
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                Hi Jon,
                 
                Keep an open mind and eye - I look all all folks surnamed Sancho. I believe my foreparents got that surname in England after Ignatius Sancho 1729-1780 - I do not know for sure. Circumstantial evidence points to ole Ignatius Sancho - I am after Afro- Osbornes of UK as well this would indicate one way or another whether Ole Ignatius is my forefather.
                 
                I will not disregard a Portuguese or Spanish Connection - one never knows what really took place over hundreds of years... I would like to cover all basis.
                 
                Methodists church records - does anybody have any idea how and where to access them?  They would have data of many ethnic groups of Guyana - especially Indians and Africans. The  three brothers; Bentick, John and Tuckness Sancho were Methodists, and I would like to read the writings of Rev. William Hudson ca. 1856.
                 
                Sharon,
                I need lots of help with my family website - ideas and creativity - perhaps, you'd like to assist me and my kinfolks.
                Good people - share your ideas - let us move forward. I am willing to do look ups here in NYC just let me know and give me time to access the data.
                 
                Thank you very much.....
                Peace.... 

                "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:
                Hello Sancho
                 
                I will see what i can come up with.
                 
                Just one thing, would there be any Portuguese connections ?
                 
                The name is very common amongst those of Madeiran descent.
                 
                Regards
                 
                Jon
                 

                Sancho of Nabaclis <childrenofsancho@...> wrote:

                J. H. De Ryck,  Compositor, Charlotte street...

                The British Guiana Directory for1879 - Georgetown, Demerara:  Printed by The Colonists Office. (Page 57)

                What I am trying to say is let us move forward.

                Jon
                See if you could find anything on Sancho - for Guyana, and English Speaking Caribbean Nations. thanks a million....

                "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:

                Hello Sharon
                 
                A "White Creole" was a European who was born and raised in the West Indies.
                 
                The term "Creole" was originally used to describe European West Indians who were of Spanish or French origin as to seperate them from Europeans of British origin.
                 
                The term was later used to describe Africans who were born in the West Indies as opposed to being born in Africa.
                 
                This is when they used the terms "White Creole", "Coloured Creole" and "Creole" do refer to the different "Native" peoples of the West Indies.
                 
                It is nowadays just another term for anyone who is from the West Indies or to describe something such as Cuisine which is Native to the Region.
                 
                "Ma Retraite" is of French origin and means "my retirement", French names were more common in the Islands but there are some places in Guyana with French names although some of these are from the time of the French occupation (during which the French founded the City of Longchamps, renamed Stabroek by the Dutch and then Georgetown by the British).
                 
                Your Rootsweb idea sounds good, maybe it could become the "Official" website for the GG&BS if the Moderator agrees.
                 
                We could all then have one place to refer to and to add bits and pieces and links.
                 
                I suppose now the Society has been established we will need responsible members to act as Secretaries etc but we can't do anything until we hear back from the Moderator as it is his "baby" if you like and i wouldn't want to step on any toes !!
                 
                I think your ideas are very good and will help the Society to advance all we need is the feedback and we can work something out.
                 
                I have glanced at Rootsweb once or twice but have not looked at it fully, i will have a look at their set up and see what they can offer.
                 
                Hope to hear from you all soon.
                 
                Regards
                 
                Jon
                 


                Sharon <deuxchat@...> wrote:

                Hi Jon and all,
                Wow - I've learned so much from you....I always heard about Flemish
                painters and such and wondered what country they were from.  Now I
                know - AND know why the difference in spelling of the name and its
                origins!  And on top of that, now I know what colored creole means
                too! I sure appreciate it Jon.  This creates one more question for
                me though - Louise's father was listed as "white creole" so what
                does that mean?

                Thanks also for the meaning of the "Ma Retraite" words on Louise's
                Berbice birth certificate.  I would never have found out what it
                meant on my own!

                I just had a thought - to get going, why don't we create a website
                on Rootsweb?  Its free and we can post any records we have, photos,
                etc. there. 

                I would gladly volunteer to create it as I have done this for other
                genealogical socities. If you like this idea, let me know and I'll
                request a website from Rootsweb.  I can do the website myself, but
                for content, we'll all to agree that this would be a good first
                step, and then - and very important - we'll all have to contribute
                something for website content. To start off, contributions of photos
                of Guyana, or stories about the experience of living in Guyana,
                schools, history, etc, would be great.  This would establish a
                beginning for the society and provide an international "home" for
                concentrating on Guyanese genealogy.

                Hope to hear from the other members and their thoughts about the
                website!  (Thoughts - Do we need "officers", a mailing address and
                way to get new members via the web?)

                Thanks again for your help Jon!

                Sharon


                --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
                <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                > Hello Sharon

                > No problem at all, i am glad you found the information of use.

                > Regarding the name De Ryck your Relative is partly right and i am
                also partly right.

                > The reason being that the name is actually Flemish and does
                originate from the Flanders Region of Belgium rather than from the
                Netherlands.

                > I am aware of this, the reason i refered to it as being Dutch is
                that at the time of your Ancestors arrival in South America Belgium
                did not exist as a Country and was part of the Netherlands,
                therefore they came from Holland rather than Belgium and Flemish is
                actually a dialect of Dutch that is spoken in the Northern half of
                Belgium.

                > So the De Rycks are kind of both Flemish and Dutch, depending on
                the period in question.

                > The "Ma Retraite" you were reffering to was a Plantation in
                Berbice and is now a small village.

                > This was proberly the birth place of Loiuse Busey De Ryck and the
                Plantation owned by John Busey.

                > As her Mother Teresa is mentioned as being a "Coloured Creole" she
                may be related to the other Brummel Family as this can be another
                term for someone who is Mulatto, therefore having a mixture of
                African and European blood.

                > Regarding Church records, the local Parish Church will be the best
                place to start, first of all you need to identify if they were Roman
                Catholic or Anglican or belonged to another Church.

                > You then need to find the local Church of that denomination in the
                area that they lived and there is a good chance that they will have
                some kind of record of your Family being resident in the Parish.

                > Concerning the Guyanese G & BS, i have just noticed that the Group
                name has been changed to this, so i guess we must already be members
                of the Society.

                > A lot of Institutions do charge for their services such as finding
                records or faxing, photocopying etc but generally as long as we know
                where to look and what to look for and do our own copying it is more
                or less free.

                > Personally, i am all for such services being free as it is a
                expensive pursuit and it helps keep the costs to a minimum, there
                are a number of Professional Genealogists who research for a living
                but their fees can be rather costly.

                > The Institutions in question though to tend to be well organised
                and have retained the records in good condition, unfortunately, this
                doesn't apply to much to Guyana's Records Offices as they have been
                starved of funds and have been neglected for decades.

                > There are a number of records in England and possibly in the
                Netherlands, i know that a lot of their Surinamese records are
                available online but i am not sure whether their records for Berbice
                and Essequibo and Demerara are included.

                > I am also interested in seeing "Guiana 1838", it was released in
                America last year but has still to be shown in the U.K.

                > It is currently being shown in Barbados and Trinidad and has
                already been shown in Canada and Belize where it won the Belize Film
                Festival prize.

                > I don't think it has been released onto DVD yet but it is still
                being shown at selected Cinemas in the U.S. and Canada.

                > Some of the Filming was done at No. 63 Beach in Berbice and in
                other local places, the rest was done in Canada and England.

                > I have read mixed reviews but this is mostly regarding the "in
                story" storylines, regarding Historical accuracy and the story of
                Slavery and Indenture this film is a must.

                > Regards

                > Jon

                >
                > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                > Jon, thank you so much for taking the time to look for my
                surnames!
                > I really appreciate it. I was aware of a De Ryck family living in
                > Hawaii but haven't found their connection to my line yet if any. 
                We
                > have a living relative in Belgium who tells me that the name is
                not
                > Dutch, as the Dutch name is spelled de Rijk. However, I always
                > thought it was Dutch.
                >
                > Our De Ryck line's oldest ancestor was Louis De Ryck who is
                > mentioned in some documents from Holland ca 18th century Guiana.
                > Most of our family left Guyana in 1923 and 1926 for New York, many
                > aboard the SS Mayaro.  The first De Ryck to come to the US was
                Harry
                > De Ryck who came for two years in 1905-1907 and then came again in
                > 1923, then his wife and children 3 years later. Several uncles
                > stayed longer where one owned a soda factory in Georgetown, but
                now
                > lives in Ontario. The De Ryck's and Busey's lived the rest of
                their
                > lives in New York City.
                >
                > Through immigration documents I know where the families lived in
                > Georgetown in the early 1920s.  The Brummel family lived on
                > Charlotte Street, De Ryck on South Road, and Busey on Water
                Street.
                >
                > Our Henry DeRyck (ca. approx 1858 - 1900?) married a Christina
                > Cushman.  His son Harry De Ryck (1878 to 1930) married Louise
                > Busey.  The parents of Louise was John Ludwig Busey and Albertha
                > Brummel. Among the immigration papers for Louise Busey De Ryck,
                was
                > a copy of the Register of her birth ca 1895 in Berbice.  It shows
                > her father, John Busey, as a white creole planter and mother,
                > Theresa Albertha Brummel, as a colored creole.  Under this is
                > written what looks like "Phi. Ma Retraite" - I have no idea what
                > this means. Unfortunately, this was the only Guyanese document
                from
                > in the packet. I have heard of John Brummel from another Brummel
                > researcher but I am unsure if our ancestor, Theresa Albertha
                Brummel
                > was any relation to him. Without access to Guyanese records, I am
                > not hopeful, but I will see if I can find anything on the
                daughters
                > you found on English or American records. Thanks so much!
                >
                > I actually got the address for the Registrar in Georgetown a few
                > years ago from the Ancestry Guyana board and wrote to them.  I
                > didn't receive a reply.  At one time, they also had a website but
                > emails went unanswered.  I have thought about writing to a church
                > for records, but have no idea what church to write to!  So for all
                > of these reasons, I was excited to learn of the interest in a
                Guyana
                > Genealogical Society which I share.  I realize that to have an
                > effective group, the support of the government offices and efforts
                > of researchers there is vital, as that is where the records are. 
                I
                > wonder if anyone realizes that if they charged for genealogical
                > services, it would pay for the preservation of what records are
                > still in existence and perhaps even make some extra!  I would
                > definately volunteer to transcribe and prepare documents for
                online,
                > but I can't get to Guyana to do that!  Perhaps the British and
                Dutch
                > have records from their presence there through the years - that
                > would be another road to follow if indeed, they took some records
                > back to their country with them.
                >
                > I just recently learned about the movie "Guiana 1838" and have
                tried
                > to find if a DVD is available, but can't find any source.  I doubt
                > if I'll ever get to Guyana and would love to see the country even
                if
                > only on film.  I understand that some of the movie was shot in
                > Berbice?
                >
                > Thanks so much for your help - hope this hasn't been too tooo long!
                >
                > Sharon
                >
                >
                >
                > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
                > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                > > Hello Sharon
                > > 
                > > I have seen what i was able to find out on the Surnames you
                > provided.
                > > 
                > > I wasn't able to find too much on most of the names except for
                > Brumell which i have found a number of leads on.
                > > 
                > > First of all on the other names i have found the following :
                > > 
                > > De Ryck - Do you have a relative called Irene De Ryck who was
                born
                > in 1940 and passed away in 1997 in Hawaii ?
                > > 
                > > Cushman - Various connections to Cushman in Guyana but hardly
                any
                > for Cashman, so i assume Cushman is your Relatives Surname.
                > > 
                > > Busey - Unable to find anything unfortunately.
                > > 
                > > Regarding the name Brumell, i have found the following :
                > > 
                > > John Brumell was a British colonial administrator who held the
                > post of Sheriff of Demerara in the 1870s.
                > >
                > > His Daughter Majorie Brumell married a Portuguese Indentured
                > worker from Madeira called Manuel Comacho.
                > >
                > > Another descendant is Gloria Brumell who comes from Triumph EBD
                > whose Husband was behind the construction of the Abary Bridge.
                > >
                > > Another Relative was a Jane Eleanor Brumell who was born in
                > Georgetown in 1869 and passed away in 1942, she married a Norman
                > Newsam in 1895.
                > > 
                > > These are only small bits but may prove useful for your research.
                > > 
                > > Regards
                > > 
                > > Jon
                > > 
                > > 
                > >
                > > "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                > > Hello Sharon
                > > 
                > > It is almost impossible to do any research in Guyana.
                > > 
                > > The Record Offices are in a very bad state, a lot of records
                have
                > been damaged or lost through climatic conditions or through
                general
                > neglect over the years.
                > > 
                > > However, they still have a good number of records available and
                > can provide details.
                > > 
                > > It is best to contact the Registrars for Births, Deaths and
                > Marriages and the Archives for anything else.
                > > 
                > > I will look into your list of names and see if i can come across
                > anything.
                > > 
                > > For a start the name De Ryck is of Dutch origin and the Dutch
                > Colonised Guyana until the arrival of the British in the early
                19th
                > Century.
                > > 
                > > I will see what i can find and get back to you in a few days.
                > > 
                > > Regards
                > > 
                > > Jon
                > > 
                > >
                > >
                > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
                > >
                > > I am doing research on my father-in-law's family who were from
                > > Guyana.  They left in the late 1920s for the US.  Through US
                > > immigration papers, I was able to find some info (which took
                over
                > 1
                > > year to receive, by the way).  Still, there are many unanswered
                > > questions - like marriage records, etc. 
                > >
                > > Will this genealogy society be based in Guyana or some other
                > country? 
                > > I have heard that it is almost impossible to do research outside
                > of
                > > Guyana - is that true?  
                > >
                > > The families I am researching are:  De Ryck, Busey (orignally
                > planter
                > > in Berbice), Brumell, and Cushman (or Cashman).  I am unsure of
                > the
                > > last surname because it is parents names handwritten on death
                > > certificate and is difficult to read.
                > >
                > > What can we as members of this group, do to help get a society
                > going?
                > >
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              • Jon - Budmart.co.uk
                Hello Sancho I have heard of Ignatius Sancho but as you say it is a long shot. A lot of Africans who went to England were either freemen or became free and
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                  Hello Sancho
                   
                  I have heard of Ignatius Sancho but as you say it is a long shot.
                   
                  A lot of Africans who went to England were either freemen or became free and usually married Europeans and so did their offspring.
                   
                  Today there are a lot of "White" people in England and elsewhere who assume that they are fully Anglo-Saxon but have African Ancestry in their Family tree.
                   
                  Regarding the Church records, i would have thought that records would be kept in the Parish Church where Rev. Hudson preached.
                   
                  Sometimes there may be a Methodist society or similiar where records may also be kept.
                   
                  The Church though should have records of Bapstisms, Marriages and Burials that took place.
                   
                  Again, some of these records may have been moved to the National Archives or similiar.
                   
                  Sancho, i am interested in where you obtained the old Newspaper and Gazette information.
                   
                  Regards
                   
                  Jon
                   


                  Sancho of Nabaclis <childrenofsancho@...> wrote:
                  Hi Jon,
                   
                  Keep an open mind and eye - I look all all folks surnamed Sancho. I believe my foreparents got that surname in England after Ignatius Sancho 1729-1780 - I do not know for sure. Circumstantial evidence points to ole Ignatius Sancho - I am after Afro- Osbornes of UK as well this would indicate one way or another whether Ole Ignatius is my forefather.
                   
                  I will not disregard a Portuguese or Spanish Connection - one never knows what really took place over hundreds of years... I would like to cover all basis.
                   
                  Methodists church records - does anybody have any idea how and where to access them?  They would have data of many ethnic groups of Guyana - especially Indians and Africans. The  three brothers; Bentick, John and Tuckness Sancho were Methodists, and I would like to read the writings of Rev. William Hudson ca. 1856.
                   
                  Sharon,
                  I need lots of help with my family website - ideas and creativity - perhaps, you'd like to assist me and my kinfolks.
                  Good people - share your ideas - let us move forward. I am willing to do look ups here in NYC just let me know and give me time to access the data.
                   
                  Thank you very much.....
                  Peace.... 

                  "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:
                  Hello Sancho
                   
                  I will see what i can come up with.
                   
                  Just one thing, would there be any Portuguese connections ?
                   
                  The name is very common amongst those of Madeiran descent.
                   
                  Regards
                   
                  Jon
                   

                  Sancho of Nabaclis <childrenofsancho@...> wrote:

                  J. H. De Ryck,  Compositor, Charlotte street...

                  The British Guiana Directory for1879 - Georgetown, Demerara:  Printed by The Colonists Office. (Page 57)

                  What I am trying to say is let us move forward.

                  Jon
                  See if you could find anything on Sancho - for Guyana, and English Speaking Caribbean Nations. thanks a million....

                  "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:

                  Hello Sharon
                   
                  A "White Creole" was a European who was born and raised in the West Indies.
                   
                  The term "Creole" was originally used to describe European West Indians who were of Spanish or French origin as to seperate them from Europeans of British origin.
                   
                  The term was later used to describe Africans who were born in the West Indies as opposed to being born in Africa.
                   
                  This is when they used the terms "White Creole", "Coloured Creole" and "Creole" do refer to the different "Native" peoples of the West Indies.
                   
                  It is nowadays just another term for anyone who is from the West Indies or to describe something such as Cuisine which is Native to the Region.
                   
                  "Ma Retraite" is of French origin and means "my retirement", French names were more common in the Islands but there are some places in Guyana with French names although some of these are from the time of the French occupation (during which the French founded the City of Longchamps, renamed Stabroek by the Dutch and then Georgetown by the British).
                   
                  Your Rootsweb idea sounds good, maybe it could become the "Official" website for the GG&BS if the Moderator agrees.
                   
                  We could all then have one place to refer to and to add bits and pieces and links.
                   
                  I suppose now the Society has been established we will need responsible members to act as Secretaries etc but we can't do anything until we hear back from the Moderator as it is his "baby" if you like and i wouldn't want to step on any toes !!
                   
                  I think your ideas are very good and will help the Society to advance all we need is the feedback and we can work something out.
                   
                  I have glanced at Rootsweb once or twice but have not looked at it fully, i will have a look at their set up and see what they can offer.
                   
                  Hope to hear from you all soon.
                   
                  Regards
                   
                  Jon
                   


                  Sharon <deuxchat@...> wrote:

                  Hi Jon and all,
                  Wow - I've learned so much from you....I always heard about Flemish
                  painters and such and wondered what country they were from.  Now I
                  know - AND know why the difference in spelling of the name and its
                  origins!  And on top of that, now I know what colored creole means
                  too! I sure appreciate it Jon.  This creates one more question for
                  me though - Louise's father was listed as "white creole" so what
                  does that mean?

                  Thanks also for the meaning of the "Ma Retraite" words on Louise's
                  Berbice birth certificate.  I would never have found out what it
                  meant on my own!

                  I just had a thought - to get going, why don't we create a website
                  on Rootsweb?  Its free and we can post any records we have, photos,
                  etc. there. 

                  I would gladly volunteer to create it as I have done this for other
                  genealogical socities. If you like this idea, let me know and I'll
                  request a website from Rootsweb.  I can do the website myself, but
                  for content, we'll all to agree that this would be a good first
                  step, and then - and very important - we'll all have to contribute
                  something for website content. To start off, contributions of photos
                  of Guyana, or stories about the experience of living in Guyana,
                  schools, history, etc, would be great.  This would establish a
                  beginning for the society and provide an international "home" for
                  concentrating on Guyanese genealogy.

                  Hope to hear from the other members and their thoughts about the
                  website!  (Thoughts - Do we need "officers", a mailing address and
                  way to get new members via the web?)

                  Thanks again for your help Jon!

                  Sharon


                  --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
                  <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                  > Hello Sharon

                  > No problem at all, i am glad you found the information of use.

                  > Regarding the name De Ryck your Relative is partly right and i am
                  also partly right.

                  > The reason being that the name is actually Flemish and does
                  originate from the Flanders Region of Belgium rather than from the
                  Netherlands.

                  > I am aware of this, the reason i refered to it as being Dutch is
                  that at the time of your Ancestors arrival in South America Belgium
                  did not exist as a Country and was part of the Netherlands,
                  therefore they came from Holland rather than Belgium and Flemish is
                  actually a dialect of Dutch that is spoken in the Northern half of
                  Belgium.

                  > So the De Rycks are kind of both Flemish and Dutch, depending on
                  the period in question.

                  > The "Ma Retraite" you were reffering to was a Plantation in
                  Berbice and is now a small village.

                  > This was proberly the birth place of Loiuse Busey De Ryck and the
                  Plantation owned by John Busey.

                  > As her Mother Teresa is mentioned as being a "Coloured Creole" she
                  may be related to the other Brummel Family as this can be another
                  term for someone who is Mulatto, therefore having a mixture of
                  African and European blood.

                  > Regarding Church records, the local Parish Church will be the best
                  place to start, first of all you need to identify if they were Roman
                  Catholic or Anglican or belonged to another Church.

                  > You then need to find the local Church of that denomination in the
                  area that they lived and there is a good chance that they will have
                  some kind of record of your Family being resident in the Parish.

                  > Concerning the Guyanese G & BS, i have just noticed that the Group
                  name has been changed to this, so i guess we must already be members
                  of the Society.

                  > A lot of Institutions do charge for their services such as finding
                  records or faxing, photocopying etc but generally as long as we know
                  where to look and what to look for and do our own copying it is more
                  or less free.

                  > Personally, i am all for such services being free as it is a
                  expensive pursuit and it helps keep the costs to a minimum, there
                  are a number of Professional Genealogists who research for a living
                  but their fees can be rather costly.

                  > The Institutions in question though to tend to be well organised
                  and have retained the records in good condition, unfortunately, this
                  doesn't apply to much to Guyana's Records Offices as they have been
                  starved of funds and have been neglected for decades.

                  > There are a number of records in England and possibly in the
                  Netherlands, i know that a lot of their Surinamese records are
                  available online but i am not sure whether their records for Berbice
                  and Essequibo and Demerara are included.

                  > I am also interested in seeing "Guiana 1838", it was released in
                  America last year but has still to be shown in the U.K.

                  > It is currently being shown in Barbados and Trinidad and has
                  already been shown in Canada and Belize where it won the Belize Film
                  Festival prize.

                  > I don't think it has been released onto DVD yet but it is still
                  being shown at selected Cinemas in the U.S. and Canada.

                  > Some of the Filming was done at No. 63 Beach in Berbice and in
                  other local places, the rest was done in Canada and England.

                  > I have read mixed reviews but this is mostly regarding the "in
                  story" storylines, regarding Historical accuracy and the story of
                  Slavery and Indenture this film is a must.

                  > Regards

                  > Jon

                  >
                  > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Hi all,
                  > Jon, thank you so much for taking the time to look for my
                  surnames!
                  > I really appreciate it. I was aware of a De Ryck family living in
                  > Hawaii but haven't found their connection to my line yet if any. 
                  We
                  > have a living relative in Belgium who tells me that the name is
                  not
                  > Dutch, as the Dutch name is spelled de Rijk. However, I always
                  > thought it was Dutch.
                  >
                  > Our De Ryck line's oldest ancestor was Louis De Ryck who is
                  > mentioned in some documents from Holland ca 18th century Guiana.
                  > Most of our family left Guyana in 1923 and 1926 for New York, many
                  > aboard the SS Mayaro.  The first De Ryck to come to the US was
                  Harry
                  > De Ryck who came for two years in 1905-1907 and then came again in
                  > 1923, then his wife and children 3 years later. Several uncles
                  > stayed longer where one owned a soda factory in Georgetown, but
                  now
                  > lives in Ontario. The De Ryck's and Busey's lived the rest of
                  their
                  > lives in New York City.
                  >
                  > Through immigration documents I know where the families lived in
                  > Georgetown in the early 1920s.  The Brummel family lived on
                  > Charlotte Street, De Ryck on South Road, and Busey on Water
                  Street.
                  >
                  > Our Henry DeRyck (ca. approx 1858 - 1900?) married a Christina
                  > Cushman.  His son Harry De Ryck (1878 to 1930) married Louise
                  > Busey.  The parents of Louise was John Ludwig Busey and Albertha
                  > Brummel. Among the immigration papers for Louise Busey De Ryck,
                  was
                  > a copy of the Register of her birth ca 1895 in Berbice.  It shows
                  > her father, John Busey, as a white creole planter and mother,
                  > Theresa Albertha Brummel, as a colored creole.  Under this is
                  > written what looks like "Phi. Ma Retraite" - I have no idea what
                  > this means. Unfortunately, this was the only Guyanese document
                  from
                  > in the packet. I have heard of John Brummel from another Brummel
                  > researcher but I am unsure if our ancestor, Theresa Albertha
                  Brummel
                  > was any relation to him. Without access to Guyanese records, I am
                  > not hopeful, but I will see if I can find anything on the
                  daughters
                  > you found on English or American records. Thanks so much!
                  >
                  > I actually got the address for the Registrar in Georgetown a few
                  > years ago from the Ancestry Guyana board and wrote to them.  I
                  > didn't receive a reply.  At one time, they also had a website but
                  > emails went unanswered.  I have thought about writing to a church
                  > for records, but have no idea what church to write to!  So for all
                  > of these reasons, I was excited to learn of the interest in a
                  Guyana
                  > Genealogical Society which I share.  I realize that to have an
                  > effective group, the support of the government offices and efforts
                  > of researchers there is vital, as that is where the records are. 
                  I
                  > wonder if anyone realizes that if they charged for genealogical
                  > services, it would pay for the preservation of what records are
                  > still in existence and perhaps even make some extra!  I would
                  > definately volunteer to transcribe and prepare documents for
                  online,
                  > but I can't get to Guyana to do that!  Perhaps the British and
                  Dutch
                  > have records from their presence there through the years - that
                  > would be another road to follow if indeed, they took some records
                  > back to their country with them.
                  >
                  > I just recently learned about the movie "Guiana 1838" and have
                  tried
                  > to find if a DVD is available, but can't find any source.  I doubt
                  > if I'll ever get to Guyana and would love to see the country even
                  if
                  > only on film.  I understand that some of the movie was shot in
                  > Berbice?
                  >
                  > Thanks so much for your help - hope this hasn't been too tooo long!
                  >
                  > Sharon
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
                  > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                  > > Hello Sharon
                  > > 
                  > > I have seen what i was able to find out on the Surnames you
                  > provided.
                  > > 
                  > > I wasn't able to find too much on most of the names except for
                  > Brumell which i have found a number of leads on.
                  > > 
                  > > First of all on the other names i have found the following :
                  > > 
                  > > De Ryck - Do you have a relative called Irene De Ryck who was
                  born
                  > in 1940 and passed away in 1997 in Hawaii ?
                  > > 
                  > > Cushman - Various connections to Cushman in Guyana but hardly
                  any
                  > for Cashman, so i assume Cushman is your Relatives Surname.
                  > > 
                  > > Busey - Unable to find anything unfortunately.
                  > > 
                  > > Regarding the name Brumell, i have found the following :
                  > > 
                  > > John Brumell was a British colonial administrator who held the
                  > post of Sheriff of Demerara in the 1870s.
                  > >
                  > > His Daughter Majorie Brumell married a Portuguese Indentured
                  > worker from Madeira called Manuel Comacho.
                  > >
                  > > Another descendant is Gloria Brumell who comes from Triumph EBD
                  > whose Husband was behind the construction of the Abary Bridge.
                  > >
                  > > Another Relative was a Jane Eleanor Brumell who was born in
                  > Georgetown in 1869 and passed away in 1942, she married a Norman
                  > Newsam in 1895.
                  > > 
                  > > These are only small bits but may prove useful for your research.
                  > > 
                  > > Regards
                  > > 
                  > > Jon
                  > > 
                  > > 
                  > >
                  > > "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                  > > Hello Sharon
                  > > 
                  > > It is almost impossible to do any research in Guyana.
                  > > 
                  > > The Record Offices are in a very bad state, a lot of records
                  have
                  > been damaged or lost through climatic conditions or through
                  general
                  > neglect over the years.
                  > > 
                  > > However, they still have a good number of records available and
                  > can provide details.
                  > > 
                  > > It is best to contact the Registrars for Births, Deaths and
                  > Marriages and the Archives for anything else.
                  > > 
                  > > I will look into your list of names and see if i can come across
                  > anything.
                  > > 
                  > > For a start the name De Ryck is of Dutch origin and the Dutch
                  > Colonised Guyana until the arrival of the British in the early
                  19th
                  > Century.
                  > > 
                  > > I will see what i can find and get back to you in a few days.
                  > > 
                  > > Regards
                  > > 
                  > > Jon
                  > > 
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > I am doing research on my father-in-law's family who were from
                  > > Guyana.  They left in the late 1920s for the US.  Through US
                  > > immigration papers, I was able to find some info (which took
                  over
                  > 1
                  > > year to receive, by the way).  Still, there are many unanswered
                  > > questions - like marriage records, etc. 
                  > >
                  > > Will this genealogy society be based in Guyana or some other
                  > country? 
                  > > I have heard that it is almost impossible to do research outside
                  > of
                  > > Guyana - is that true?  
                  > >
                  > > The families I am researching are:  De Ryck, Busey (orignally
                  > planter
                  > > in Berbice), Brumell, and Cushman (or Cashman).  I am unsure of
                  > the
                  > > last surname because it is parents names handwritten on death
                  > > certificate and is difficult to read.
                  > >
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                  Jon and all the other good people herein, I believe you are in the UK. I am not sure. The consortium of Research libraries in the USA - has a system they call
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                    Jon and all the other good people herein,
                     
                    I believe you are in the UK. I am not sure. The consortium of Research libraries in the USA - has a system they call the InterLibrary Loan (ILL). This system allows researchers to access materials which are housed in the various Research libraries in the USA. I am positive the UK has a similar system - thus I will advise you to check the British Library for their system of  libraries connected to their Universities and research institutions.
                     
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                    PlaceGeorgetown; Guyana 
                    Main titleThe Argosy 
                    Numbersno.1-1692 
                    Dates2 Oct.1880-17 Aug.1889; 1 March 1890- 30 March 1907 

                     Continued asThe Weekly Argosy 
                     Numbersno.1693 - 1774 
                     Dates6 April 1907-24 Oct.1908 

                    NotesNot published between 17 Aug.1889 and 1 March 1890.
                    A compilation of announcements of births, marriages and deaths reported in The Argosy from 1880-96 is held in the Reading Room Reference Collection.
                    Microfilm. 
                    ShelfmarkM.C.551.
                     

                    Full record display

                    PlaceGeorgetown; Guyana 
                    Main titleDemerara Daily Chronicle 
                    Numbersno.2-1039 
                    Dates5 Nov.1881-31 Dec.1884 

                     Continued asThe Daily Chronicle 
                     DatesJan.1885-28 May 1916; 22 Aug.1916- 30 June 1922; 1 Jan.1930-30 Aug.1931; 1 Jan-1932-31 July 1938; 1 Jan.1939- 22 Dec,1951; 1 Oct.1957-26 June 1977; 15 June-29 Dec.1978 

                    NotesSunday issues are entitled "Sunday Chronicle".
                    From 1 March 1966 onward the collection consists of the "Sunday Chronicle" only.
                    Microfilm. 
                    ShelfmarkM.C.544.
                    Look up History of British Guiana Teachers' Association 1884 - 1944 by George Bunyan
                    Cataloguing level Minimal record

                    Author - corporate British Guiana Teachers Association (GUIANA, British)

                    Title History of the British Guiana Teachers Association,
                    1884-1944.

                    Publisher/year [Georgetown, 1946?].

                    Physical descr. pp.223.

                    Added name BUNYAN, George Henry Augustine.

                    Control number 004123101

                    Control number 004347298
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                    System number  000903041
                    Author - personal  LinkDELPH, Charles Noel, and ROTH (Vincent)
                    Title  LinkWho is who in British Guiana. Fourth edition. 1945-48.
                    Publisher/year  Linkpp. 844. Daily Chronicle: Georgetown, 1948.
                    Physical descr.  8�.
                    Added name  LinkROTH, Vincent.
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                    Those of us in the USA - try (firstsearch) OCLC / worldcat and or unionlist at any university library or ask your librarian to assist you....
                     
                    I hope that shines a light upon your thoughts ...and answers more than a few questions....
                    "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:
                    Hello Sancho
                     
                    I have heard of Ignatius Sancho but as you say it is a long shot.
                     
                    A lot of Africans who went to England were either freemen or became free and usually married Europeans and so did their offspring.
                     
                    Today there are a lot of "White" people in England and elsewhere who assume that they are fully Anglo-Saxon but have African Ancestry in their Family tree.
                     
                    Regarding the Church records, i would have thought that records would be kept in the Parish Church where Rev. Hudson preached.
                     
                    Sometimes there may be a Methodist society or similiar where records may also be kept.
                     
                    The Church though should have records of Bapstisms, Marriages and Burials that took place.
                     
                    Again, some of these records may have been moved to the National Archives or similiar.
                     
                    Sancho, i am interested in where you obtained the old Newspaper and Gazette information.
                     
                    Regards
                     
                    Jon
                     


                    Sancho of Nabaclis <childrenofsancho@...> wrote:
                    Hi Jon,
                     
                    Keep an open mind and eye - I look all all folks surnamed Sancho. I believe my foreparents got that surname in England after Ignatius Sancho 1729-1780 - I do not know for sure. Circumstantial evidence points to ole Ignatius Sancho - I am after Afro- Osbornes of UK as well this would indicate one way or another whether Ole Ignatius is my forefather.
                     
                    I will not disregard a Portuguese or Spanish Connection - one never knows what really took place over hundreds of years... I would like to cover all basis.
                     
                    Methodists church records - does anybody have any idea how and where to access them?  They would have data of many ethnic groups of Guyana - especially Indians and Africans. The  three brothers; Bentick, John and Tuckness Sancho were Methodists, and I would like to read the writings of Rev. William Hudson ca. 1856.
                     
                    Sharon,
                    I need lots of help with my family website - ideas and creativity - perhaps, you'd like to assist me and my kinfolks.
                    Good people - share your ideas - let us move forward. I am willing to do look ups here in NYC just let me know and give me time to access the data.
                     
                    Thank you very much.....
                    Peace.... 

                    "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:
                    Hello Sancho
                     
                    I will see what i can come up with.
                     
                    Just one thing, would there be any Portuguese connections ?
                     
                    The name is very common amongst those of Madeiran descent.
                     
                    Regards
                     
                    Jon
                     

                    Sancho of Nabaclis <childrenofsancho@...> wrote:

                    J. H. De Ryck,  Compositor, Charlotte street...

                    The British Guiana Directory for1879 - Georgetown, Demerara:  Printed by The Colonists Office. (Page 57)

                    What I am trying to say is let us move forward.

                    Jon
                    See if you could find anything on Sancho - for Guyana, and English Speaking Caribbean Nations. thanks a million....

                    "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:

                    Hello Sharon
                     
                    A "White Creole" was a European who was born and raised in the West Indies.
                     
                    The term "Creole" was originally used to describe European West Indians who were of Spanish or French origin as to seperate them from Europeans of British origin.
                     
                    The term was later used to describe Africans who were born in the West Indies as opposed to being born in Africa.
                     
                    This is when they used the terms "White Creole", "Coloured Creole" and "Creole" do refer to the different "Native" peoples of the West Indies.
                     
                    It is nowadays just another term for anyone who is from the West Indies or to describe something such as Cuisine which is Native to the Region.
                     
                    "Ma Retraite" is of French origin and means "my retirement", French names were more common in the Islands but there are some places in Guyana with French names although some of these are from the time of the French occupation (during which the French founded the City of Longchamps, renamed Stabroek by the Dutch and then Georgetown by the British).
                     
                    Your Rootsweb idea sounds good, maybe it could become the "Official" website for the GG&BS if the Moderator agrees.
                     
                    We could all then have one place to refer to and to add bits and pieces and links.
                     
                    I suppose now the Society has been established we will need responsible members to act as Secretaries etc but we can't do anything until we hear back from the Moderator as it is his "baby" if you like and i wouldn't want to step on any toes !!
                     
                    I think your ideas are very good and will help the Society to advance all we need is the feedback and we can work something out.
                     
                    I have glanced at Rootsweb once or twice but have not looked at it fully, i will have a look at their set up and see what they can offer.
                     
                    Hope to hear from you all soon.
                     
                    Regards
                     
                    Jon
                     


                    Sharon <deuxchat@...> wrote:

                    Hi Jon and all,
                    Wow - I've learned so much from you....I always heard about Flemish
                    painters and such and wondered what country they were from.  Now I
                    know - AND know why the difference in spelling of the name and its
                    origins!  And on top of that, now I know what colored creole means
                    too! I sure appreciate it Jon.  This creates one more question for
                    me though - Louise's father was listed as "white creole" so what
                    does that mean?

                    Thanks also for the meaning of the "Ma Retraite" words on Louise's
                    Berbice birth certificate.  I would never have found out what it
                    meant on my own!

                    I just had a thought - to get going, why don't we create a website
                    on Rootsweb?  Its free and we can post any records we have, photos,
                    etc. there. 

                    I would gladly volunteer to create it as I have done this for other
                    genealogical socities. If you like this idea, let me know and I'll
                    request a website from Rootsweb.  I can do the website myself, but
                    for content, we'll all to agree that this would be a good first
                    step, and then - and very important - we'll all have to contribute
                    something for website content. To start off, contributions of photos
                    of Guyana, or stories about the experience of living in Guyana,
                    schools, history, etc, would be great.  This would establish a
                    beginning for the society and provide an international "home" for
                    concentrating on Guyanese genealogy.

                    Hope to hear from the other members and their thoughts about the
                    website!  (Thoughts - Do we need "officers", a mailing address and
                    way to get new members via the web?)

                    Thanks again for your help Jon!

                    Sharon


                    --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
                    <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                    > Hello Sharon

                    > No problem at all, i am glad you found the information of use.

                    > Regarding the name De Ryck your Relative is partly right and i am
                    also partly right.

                    > The reason being that the name is actually Flemish and does
                    originate from the Flanders Region of Belgium rather than from the
                    Netherlands.

                    > I am aware of this, the reason i refered to it as being Dutch is
                    that at the time of your Ancestors arrival in South America Belgium
                    did not exist as a Country and was part of the Netherlands,
                    therefore they came from Holland rather than Belgium and Flemish is
                    actually a dialect of Dutch that is spoken in the Northern half of
                    Belgium.

                    > So the De Rycks are kind of both Flemish and Dutch, depending on
                    the period in question.

                    > The "Ma Retraite" you were reffering to was a Plantation in
                    Berbice and is now a small village.

                    > This was proberly the birth place of Loiuse Busey De Ryck and the
                    Plantation owned by John Busey.

                    > As her Mother Teresa is mentioned as being a "Coloured Creole" she
                    may be related to the other Brummel Family as this can be another
                    term for someone who is Mulatto, therefore having a mixture of
                    African and European blood.

                    > Regarding Church records, the local Parish Church will be the best
                    place to start, first of all you need to identify if they were Roman
                    Catholic or Anglican or belonged to another Church.

                    > You then need to find the local Church of that denomination in the
                    area that they lived and there is a good chance that they will have
                    some kind of record of your Family being resident in the Parish.

                    > Concerning the Guyanese G & BS, i have just noticed that the Group
                    name has been changed to this, so i guess we must already be members
                    of the Society.

                    > A lot of Institutions do charge for their services such as finding
                    records or faxing, photocopying etc but generally as long as we know
                    where to look and what to look for and do our own copying it is more
                    or less free.

                    > Personally, i am all for such services being free as it is a
                    expensive pursuit and it helps keep the costs to a minimum, there
                    are a number of Professional Genealogists who research for a living
                    but their fees can be rather costly.

                    > The Institutions in question though to tend to be well organised
                    and have retained the records in good condition, unfortunately, this
                    doesn't apply to much to Guyana's Records Offices as they have been
                    starved of funds and have been neglected for decades.

                    > There are a number of records in England and possibly in the
                    Netherlands, i know that a lot of their Surinamese records are
                    available online but i am not sure whether their records for Berbice
                    and Essequibo and Demerara are included.

                    > I am also interested in seeing "Guiana 1838", it was released in
                    America last year but has still to be shown in the U.K.

                    > It is currently being shown in Barbados and Trinidad and has
                    already been shown in Canada and Belize where it won the Belize Film
                    Festival prize.

                    > I don't think it has been released onto DVD yet but it is still
                    being shown at selected Cinemas in the U.S. and Canada.

                    > Some of the Filming was done at No. 63 Beach in Berbice and in
                    other local places, the rest was done in Canada and England.

                    > I have read mixed reviews but this is mostly regarding the "in
                    story" storylines, regarding Historical accuracy and the story of
                    Slavery and Indenture this film is a must.

                    > Regards

                    > Jon

                    >
                    > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hi all,
                    > Jon, thank you so much for taking the time to look for my
                    surnames!
                    > I really appreciate it. I was aware of a De Ryck family living in
                    > Hawaii but haven't found their connection to my line yet if any. 
                    We
                    > have a living relative in Belgium who tells me that the name is
                    not
                    > Dutch, as the Dutch name is spelled de Rijk. However, I always
                    > thought it was Dutch.
                    >
                    > Our De Ryck line's oldest ancestor was Louis De Ryck who is
                    > mentioned in some documents from Holland ca 18th century Guiana.
                    > Most of our family left Guyana in 1923 and 1926 for New York, many
                    > aboard the SS Mayaro.  The first De Ryck to come to the US was
                    Harry
                    > De Ryck who came for two years in 1905-1907 and then came again in
                    > 1923, then his wife and children 3 years later. Several uncles
                    > stayed longer where one owned a soda factory in Georgetown, but
                    now
                    > lives in Ontario. The De Ryck's and Busey's lived the rest of
                    their
                    > lives in New York City.
                    >
                    > Through immigration documents I know where the families lived in
                    > Georgetown in the early 1920s.  The Brummel family lived on
                    > Charlotte Street, De Ryck on South Road, and Busey on Water
                    Street.
                    >
                    > Our Henry DeRyck (ca. approx 1858 - 1900?) married a Christina
                    > Cushman.  His son Harry De Ryck (1878 to 1930) married Louise
                    > Busey.  The parents of Louise was John Ludwig Busey and Albertha
                    > Brummel. Among the immigration papers for Louise Busey De Ryck,
                    was
                    > a copy of the Register of her birth ca 1895 in Berbice.  It shows
                    > her father, John Busey, as a white creole planter and mother,
                    > Theresa Albertha Brummel, as a colored creole.  Under this is
                    > written what looks like "Phi. Ma Retraite" - I have no idea what
                    > this means. Unfortunately, this was the only Guyanese document
                    from
                    > in the packet. I have heard of John Brummel from another Brummel
                    > researcher but I am unsure if our ancestor, Theresa Albertha
                    Brummel
                    > was any relation to him. Without access to Guyanese records, I am
                    > not hopeful, but I will see if I can find anything on the
                    daughters
                    > you found on English or American records. Thanks so much!
                    >
                    > I actually got the address for the Registrar in Georgetown a few
                    > years ago from the Ancestry Guyana board and wrote to them.  I
                    > didn't receive a reply.  At one time, they also had a website but
                    > emails went unanswered.  I have thought about writing to a church
                    > for records, but have no idea what church to write to!  So for all
                    > of these reasons, I was excited to learn of the interest in a
                    Guyana
                    > Genealogical Society which I share.  I realize that to have an
                    > effective group, the support of the government offices and efforts
                    > of researchers there is vital, as that is where the records are. 
                    I
                    > wonder if anyone realizes that if they charged for genealogical
                    > services, it would pay for the preservation of what records are
                    > still in existence and perhaps even make some extra!  I would
                    > definately volunteer to transcribe and prepare documents for
                    online,
                    > but I can't get to Guyana to do that!  Perhaps the British and
                    Dutch
                    > have records from their presence there through the years - that
                    > would be another road to follow if indeed, they took some records
                    > back to their country with them.
                    >
                    > I just recently learned about the movie "Guiana 1838" and have
                    tried
                    > to find if a DVD is available, but can't find any source.  I doubt
                    > if I'll ever get to Guyana and would love to see the country even
                    if
                    > only on film.  I understand that some of the movie was shot in
                    > Berbice?
                    >
                    > Thanks so much for your help - hope this hasn't been too tooo long!
                    >
                    > Sharon
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
                    > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                    > > Hello Sharon
                    > > 
                    > > I have seen what i was able to find out on the Surnames you
                    > provided.
                    > > 
                    > > I wasn't able to find too much on most of the names except for
                    > Brumell which i have found a number of leads on.
                    > > 
                    > > First of all on the other names i have found the following :
                    > > 
                    > > De Ryck - Do you have a relative called Irene De Ryck who was
                    born
                    > in 1940 and passed away in 1997 in Hawaii ?
                    > > 
                    > > Cushman - Various connections to Cushman in Guyana but hardly
                    any
                    > for Cashman, so i assume Cushman is your Relatives Surname.
                    > > 
                    > > Busey - Unable to find anything unfortunately.
                    > > 
                    > > Regarding the name Brumell, i have found the following :
                    > > 
                    > > John Brumell was a British colonial administrator who held the
                    > post of Sheriff of Demerara in the 1870s.
                    > >
                    > > His Daughter Majorie Brumell married a Portuguese Indentured
                    > worker from Madeira called Manuel Comacho.
                    > >
                    > > Another descendant is Gloria Brumell who comes from Triumph EBD
                    > whose Husband was behind the construction of the Abary Bridge.
                    > >
                    > > Another Relative was a Jane Eleanor Brumell who was born in
                    > Georgetown in 1869 and passed away in 1942, she married a Norman
                    > Newsam in 1895.
                    > > 
                    > > These are only small bits but may prove useful for your research.
                    > > 
                    > > Regards
                    > > 
                    > > Jon
                    > > 
                    > > 
                    > >
                    > > "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                    > > Hello Sharon
                    > > 
                    > > It is almost impossible to do any research in Guyana.
                    > > 
                    > > The Record Offices are in a very bad state, a lot of records
                    have
                    > been damaged or lost through climatic conditions or through
                    general
                    > neglect over the years.
                    > > 
                    > > However, they still have a good number of records available and
                    > can provide details.
                    > > 
                    > > It is best to contact the Registrars for Births, Deaths and
                    > Marriages and the Archives for anything else.
                    > > 
                    > > I will look into your list of names and see if i can come across
                    > anything.
                    > > 
                    > > For a start the name De Ryck is of Dutch origin and the Dutch
                    > Colonised Guyana until the arrival of the British in the early
                    19th
                    > Century.
                    > > 
                    > > I will see what i can find and get back to you in a few days.
                    > > 
                    > > Regards
                    > > 
                    > > Jon
                    > > 
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > I am doing research on my father-in-law's family who were from
                    > > Guyana.  They left in the late 1920s for the US.  Through US
                    > > immigration papers, I was able to find some info (which took
                    over
                    > 1
                    > > year to receive, by the way).  Still, there are many unanswered
                    > > questions - like marriage records, etc. 
                    > >
                    > > Will this genealogy society be based in Guyana or some other
                    > country? 
                    > > I have heard that it is almost impossible to do research outside
                    > of
                    > > Guyana - is that true?  
                    > >
                    > > The families I am researching are:  De Ryck, Busey (orignally
                    > planter
                    > > in Berbice), Brumell, and Cushman (or Cashman).  I am unsure of
                    > the
                    > > last surname because it is parents names handwritten on death
                    > > certificate and is difficult to read.
                    > >
                    > > What can we as members of this group, do to help get a society
                    > going?
                    > >
                    > > Sharon
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
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                  • Jon - Budmart.co.uk
                    Hello Sancho Thanks for the link. I will look into this as it will be a very useful tool. Regards Jon Sancho of Nabaclis wrote:
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                      Hello Sancho
                       
                      Thanks for the link.
                       
                      I will look into this as it will be a very useful tool.
                       
                      Regards
                       
                      Jon

                      Sancho of Nabaclis <childrenofsancho@...> wrote:
                      Jon and all the other good people herein,
                       
                      I believe you are in the UK. I am not sure. The consortium of Research libraries in the USA - has a system they call the InterLibrary Loan (ILL). This system allows researchers to access materials which are housed in the various Research libraries in the USA. I am positive the UK has a similar system - thus I will advise you to check the British Library for their system of  libraries connected to their Universities and research institutions.
                       
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                      PlaceGeorgetown; Guyana 
                      Main titleThe Argosy 
                      Numbersno.1-1692 
                      Dates2 Oct.1880-17 Aug.1889; 1 March 1890- 30 March 1907 

                       Continued asThe Weekly Argosy 
                       Numbersno.1693 - 1774 
                       Dates6 April 1907-24 Oct.1908 

                      NotesNot published between 17 Aug.1889 and 1 March 1890.
                      A compilation of announcements of births, marriages and deaths reported in The Argosy from 1880-96 is held in the Reading Room Reference Collection.
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                      PlaceGeorgetown; Guyana 
                      Main titleDemerara Daily Chronicle 
                      Numbersno.2-1039 
                      Dates5 Nov.1881-31 Dec.1884 

                       Continued asThe Daily Chronicle 
                       DatesJan.1885-28 May 1916; 22 Aug.1916- 30 June 1922; 1 Jan.1930-30 Aug.1931; 1 Jan-1932-31 July 1938; 1 Jan.1939- 22 Dec,1951; 1 Oct.1957-26 June 1977; 15 June-29 Dec.1978 

                      NotesSunday issues are entitled "Sunday Chronicle".
                      From 1 March 1966 onward the collection consists of the "Sunday Chronicle" only.
                      Microfilm. 
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                      Look up History of British Guiana Teachers' Association 1884 - 1944 by George Bunyan
                      Cataloguing level Minimal record

                      Author - corporate British Guiana Teachers Association (GUIANA, British)

                      Title History of the British Guiana Teachers Association,
                      1884-1944.

                      Publisher/year [Georgetown, 1946?].

                      Physical descr. pp.223.

                      Added name BUNYAN, George Henry Augustine.

                      Control number 004123101

                      Control number 004347298
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                      Author - personal  LinkDELPH, Charles Noel, and ROTH (Vincent)
                      Title  LinkWho is who in British Guiana. Fourth edition. 1945-48.
                      Publisher/year  Linkpp. 844. Daily Chronicle: Georgetown, 1948.
                      Physical descr.  8�.
                      Added name  LinkROTH, Vincent.
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                      Those of us in the USA - try (firstsearch) OCLC / worldcat and or unionlist at any university library or ask your librarian to assist you....
                       
                      I hope that shines a light upon your thoughts ...and answers more than a few questions....
                      "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:
                      Hello Sancho
                       
                      I have heard of Ignatius Sancho but as you say it is a long shot.
                       
                      A lot of Africans who went to England were either freemen or became free and usually married Europeans and so did their offspring.
                       
                      Today there are a lot of "White" people in England and elsewhere who assume that they are fully Anglo-Saxon but have African Ancestry in their Family tree.
                       
                      Regarding the Church records, i would have thought that records would be kept in the Parish Church where Rev. Hudson preached.
                       
                      Sometimes there may be a Methodist society or similiar where records may also be kept.
                       
                      The Church though should have records of Bapstisms, Marriages and Burials that took place.
                       
                      Again, some of these records may have been moved to the National Archives or similiar.
                       
                      Sancho, i am interested in where you obtained the old Newspaper and Gazette information.
                       
                      Regards
                       
                      Jon
                       


                      Sancho of Nabaclis <childrenofsancho@...> wrote:
                      Hi Jon,
                       
                      Keep an open mind and eye - I look all all folks surnamed Sancho. I believe my foreparents got that surname in England after Ignatius Sancho 1729-1780 - I do not know for sure. Circumstantial evidence points to ole Ignatius Sancho - I am after Afro- Osbornes of UK as well this would indicate one way or another whether Ole Ignatius is my forefather.
                       
                      I will not disregard a Portuguese or Spanish Connection - one never knows what really took place over hundreds of years... I would like to cover all basis.
                       
                      Methodists church records - does anybody have any idea how and where to access them?  They would have data of many ethnic groups of Guyana - especially Indians and Africans. The  three brothers; Bentick, John and Tuckness Sancho were Methodists, and I would like to read the writings of Rev. William Hudson ca. 1856.
                       
                      Sharon,
                      I need lots of help with my family website - ideas and creativity - perhaps, you'd like to assist me and my kinfolks.
                      Good people - share your ideas - let us move forward. I am willing to do look ups here in NYC just let me know and give me time to access the data.
                       
                      Thank you very much.....
                      Peace.... 

                      "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:
                      Hello Sancho
                       
                      I will see what i can come up with.
                       
                      Just one thing, would there be any Portuguese connections ?
                       
                      The name is very common amongst those of Madeiran descent.
                       
                      Regards
                       
                      Jon
                       

                      Sancho of Nabaclis <childrenofsancho@...> wrote:

                      J. H. De Ryck,  Compositor, Charlotte street...

                      The British Guiana Directory for1879 - Georgetown, Demerara:  Printed by The Colonists Office. (Page 57)

                      What I am trying to say is let us move forward.

                      Jon
                      See if you could find anything on Sancho - for Guyana, and English Speaking Caribbean Nations. thanks a million....

                      "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:

                      Hello Sharon
                       
                      A "White Creole" was a European who was born and raised in the West Indies.
                       
                      The term "Creole" was originally used to describe European West Indians who were of Spanish or French origin as to seperate them from Europeans of British origin.
                       
                      The term was later used to describe Africans who were born in the West Indies as opposed to being born in Africa.
                       
                      This is when they used the terms "White Creole", "Coloured Creole" and "Creole" do refer to the different "Native" peoples of the West Indies.
                       
                      It is nowadays just another term for anyone who is from the West Indies or to describe something such as Cuisine which is Native to the Region.
                       
                      "Ma Retraite" is of French origin and means "my retirement", French names were more common in the Islands but there are some places in Guyana with French names although some of these are from the time of the French occupation (during which the French founded the City of Longchamps, renamed Stabroek by the Dutch and then Georgetown by the British).
                       
                      Your Rootsweb idea sounds good, maybe it could become the "Official" website for the GG&BS if the Moderator agrees.
                       
                      We could all then have one place to refer to and to add bits and pieces and links.
                       
                      I suppose now the Society has been established we will need responsible members to act as Secretaries etc but we can't do anything until we hear back from the Moderator as it is his "baby" if you like and i wouldn't want to step on any toes !!
                       
                      I think your ideas are very good and will help the Society to advance all we need is the feedback and we can work something out.
                       
                      I have glanced at Rootsweb once or twice but have not looked at it fully, i will have a look at their set up and see what they can offer.
                       
                      Hope to hear from you all soon.
                       
                      Regards
                       
                      Jon
                       


                      Sharon <deuxchat@...> wrote:

                      Hi Jon and all,
                      Wow - I've learned so much from you....I always heard about Flemish
                      painters and such and wondered what country they were from.  Now I
                      know - AND know why the difference in spelling of the name and its
                      origins!  And on top of that, now I know what colored creole means
                      too! I sure appreciate it Jon.  This creates one more question for
                      me though - Louise's father was listed as "white creole" so what
                      does that mean?

                      Thanks also for the meaning of the "Ma Retraite" words on Louise's
                      Berbice birth certificate.  I would never have found out what it
                      meant on my own!

                      I just had a thought - to get going, why don't we create a website
                      on Rootsweb?  Its free and we can post any records we have, photos,
                      etc. there. 

                      I would gladly volunteer to create it as I have done this for other
                      genealogical socities. If you like this idea, let me know and I'll
                      request a website from Rootsweb.  I can do the website myself, but
                      for content, we'll all to agree that this would be a good first
                      step, and then - and very important - we'll all have to contribute
                      something for website content. To start off, contributions of photos
                      of Guyana, or stories about the experience of living in Guyana,
                      schools, history, etc, would be great.  This would establish a
                      beginning for the society and provide an international "home" for
                      concentrating on Guyanese genealogy.

                      Hope to hear from the other members and their thoughts about the
                      website!  (Thoughts - Do we need "officers", a mailing address and
                      way to get new members via the web?)

                      Thanks again for your help Jon!

                      Sharon


                      --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
                      <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                      > Hello Sharon

                      > No problem at all, i am glad you found the information of use.

                      > Regarding the name De Ryck your Relative is partly right and i am
                      also partly right.

                      > The reason being that the name is actually Flemish and does
                      originate from the Flanders Region of Belgium rather than from the
                      Netherlands.

                      > I am aware of this, the reason i refered to it as being Dutch is
                      that at the time of your Ancestors arrival in South America Belgium
                      did not exist as a Country and was part of the Netherlands,
                      therefore they came from Holland rather than Belgium and Flemish is
                      actually a dialect of Dutch that is spoken in the Northern half of
                      Belgium.

                      > So the De Rycks are kind of both Flemish and Dutch, depending on
                      the period in question.

                      > The "Ma Retraite" you were reffering to was a Plantation in
                      Berbice and is now a small village.

                      > This was proberly the birth place of Loiuse Busey De Ryck and the
                      Plantation owned by John Busey.

                      > As her Mother Teresa is mentioned as being a "Coloured Creole" she
                      may be related to the other Brummel Family as this can be another
                      term for someone who is Mulatto, therefore having a mixture of
                      African and European blood.

                      > Regarding Church records, the local Parish Church will be the best
                      place to start, first of all you need to identify if they were Roman
                      Catholic or Anglican or belonged to another Church.

                      > You then need to find the local Church of that denomination in the
                      area that they lived and there is a good chance that they will have
                      some kind of record of your Family being resident in the Parish.

                      > Concerning the Guyanese G & BS, i have just noticed that the Group
                      name has been changed to this, so i guess we must already be members
                      of the Society.

                      > A lot of Institutions do charge for their services such as finding
                      records or faxing, photocopying etc but generally as long as we know
                      where to look and what to look for and do our own copying it is more
                      or less free.

                      > Personally, i am all for such services being free as it is a
                      expensive pursuit and it helps keep the costs to a minimum, there
                      are a number of Professional Genealogists who research for a living
                      but their fees can be rather costly.

                      > The Institutions in question though to tend to be well organised
                      and have retained the records in good condition, unfortunately, this
                      doesn't apply to much to Guyana's Records Offices as they have been
                      starved of funds and have been neglected for decades.

                      > There are a number of records in England and possibly in the
                      Netherlands, i know that a lot of their Surinamese records are
                      available online but i am not sure whether their records for Berbice
                      and Essequibo and Demerara are included.

                      > I am also interested in seeing "Guiana 1838", it was released in
                      America last year but has still to be shown in the U.K.

                      > It is currently being shown in Barbados and Trinidad and has
                      already been shown in Canada and Belize where it won the Belize Film
                      Festival prize.

                      > I don't think it has been released onto DVD yet but it is still
                      being shown at selected Cinemas in the U.S. and Canada.

                      > Some of the Filming was done at No. 63 Beach in Berbice and in
                      other local places, the rest was done in Canada and England.

                      > I have read mixed reviews but this is mostly regarding the "in
                      story" storylines, regarding Historical accuracy and the story of
                      Slavery and Indenture this film is a must.

                      > Regards

                      > Jon

                      >
                      > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hi all,
                      > Jon, thank you so much for taking the time to look for my
                      surnames!
                      > I really appreciate it. I was aware of a De Ryck family living in
                      > Hawaii but haven't found their connection to my line yet if any. 
                      We
                      > have a living relative in Belgium who tells me that the name is
                      not
                      > Dutch, as the Dutch name is spelled de Rijk. However, I always
                      > thought it was Dutch.
                      >
                      > Our De Ryck line's oldest ancestor was Louis De Ryck who is
                      > mentioned in some documents from Holland ca 18th century Guiana.
                      > Most of our family left Guyana in 1923 and 1926 for New York, many
                      > aboard the SS Mayaro.  The first De Ryck to come to the US was
                      Harry
                      > De Ryck who came for two years in 1905-1907 and then came again in
                      > 1923, then his wife and children 3 years later. Several uncles
                      > stayed longer where one owned a soda factory in Georgetown, but
                      now
                      > lives in Ontario. The De Ryck's and Busey's lived the rest of
                      their
                      > lives in New York City.
                      >
                      > Through immigration documents I know where the families lived in
                      > Georgetown in the early 1920s.  The Brummel family lived on
                      > Charlotte Street, De Ryck on South Road, and Busey on Water
                      Street.
                      >
                      > Our Henry DeRyck (ca. approx 1858 - 1900?) married a Christina
                      > Cushman.  His son Harry De Ryck (1878 to 1930) married Louise
                      > Busey.  The parents of Louise was John Ludwig Busey and Albertha
                      > Brummel. Among the immigration papers for Louise Busey De Ryck,
                      was
                      > a copy of the Register of her birth ca 1895 in Berbice.  It shows
                      > her father, John Busey, as a white creole planter and mother,
                      > Theresa Albertha Brummel, as a colored creole.  Under this is
                      > written what looks like "Phi. Ma Retraite" - I have no idea what
                      > this means. Unfortunately, this was the only Guyanese document
                      from
                      > in the packet. I have heard of John Brummel from another Brummel
                      > researcher but I am unsure if our ancestor, Theresa Albertha
                      Brummel
                      > was any relation to him. Without access to Guyanese records, I am
                      > not hopeful, but I will see if I can find anything on the
                      daughters
                      > you found on English or American records. Thanks so much!
                      >
                      > I actually got the address for the Registrar in Georgetown a few
                      > years ago from the Ancestry Guyana board and wrote to them.  I
                      > didn't receive a reply.  At one time, they also had a website but
                      > emails went unanswered.  I have thought about writing to a church
                      > for records, but have no idea what church to write to!  So for all
                      > of these reasons, I was excited to learn of the interest in a
                      Guyana
                      > Genealogical Society which I share.  I realize that to have an
                      > effective group, the support of the government offices and efforts
                      > of researchers there is vital, as that is where the records are. 
                      I
                      > wonder if anyone realizes that if they charged for genealogical
                      > services, it would pay for the preservation of what records are
                      > still in existence and perhaps even make some extra!  I would
                      > definately volunteer to transcribe and prepare documents for
                      online,
                      > but I can't get to Guyana to do that!  Perhaps the British and
                      Dutch
                      > have records from their presence there through the years - that
                      > would be another road to follow if indeed, they took some records
                      > back to their country with them.
                      >
                      > I just recently learned about the movie "Guiana 1838" and have
                      tried
                      > to find if a DVD is available, but can't find any source.  I doubt
                      > if I'll ever get to Guyana and would love to see the country even
                      if
                      > only on film.  I understand that some of the movie was shot in
                      > Berbice?
                      >
                      > Thanks so much for your help - hope this hasn't been too tooo long!
                      >
                      > Sharon
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jon - Budmart.co.uk"
                      > <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                      > > Hello Sharon
                      > > 
                      > > I have seen what i was able to find out on the Surnames you
                      > provided.
                      > > 
                      > > I wasn't able to find too much on most of the names except for
                      > Brumell which i have found a number of leads on.
                      > > 
                      > > First of all on the other names i have found the following :
                      > > 
                      > > De Ryck - Do you have a relative called Irene De Ryck who was
                      born
                      > in 1940 and passed away in 1997 in Hawaii ?
                      > > 
                      > > Cushman - Various connections to Cushman in Guyana but hardly
                      any
                      > for Cashman, so i assume Cushman is your Relatives Surname.
                      > > 
                      > > Busey - Unable to find anything unfortunately.
                      > > 
                      > > Regarding the name Brumell, i have found the following :
                      > > 
                      > > John Brumell was a British colonial administrator who held the
                      > post of Sheriff of Demerara in the 1870s.
                      > >
                      > > His Daughter Majorie Brumell married a Portuguese Indentured
                      > worker from Madeira called Manuel Comacho.
                      > >
                      > > Another descendant is Gloria Brumell who comes from Triumph EBD
                      > whose Husband was behind the construction of the Abary Bridge.
                      > >
                      > > Another Relative was a Jane Eleanor Brumell who was born in
                      > Georgetown in 1869 and passed away in 1942, she married a Norman
                      > Newsam in 1895.
                      > > 
                      > > These are only small bits but may prove useful for your research.
                      > > 
                      > > Regards
                      > > 
                      > > Jon
                      > > 
                      > > 
                      > >
                      > > "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@y...> wrote:
                      > > Hello Sharon
                      > > 
                      > > It is almost impossible to do any research in Guyana.
                      > > 
                      > > The Record Offices are in a very bad state, a lot of records
                      have
                      > been damaged or lost through climatic conditions or through
                      general
                      > neglect over the years.
                      > > 
                      > > However, they still have a good number of records available and
                      > can provide details.
                      > > 
                      > > It is best to contact the Registrars for Births, Deaths and
                      > Marriages and the Archives for anything else.
                      > > 
                      > > I will look into your list of names and see if i can come across
                      > anything.
                      > > 
                      > > For a start the name De Ryck is of Dutch origin and the Dutch
                      > Colonised Guyana until the arrival of the British in the early
                      19th
                      > Century.
                      > > 
                      > > I will see what i can find and get back to you in a few days.
                      > > 
                      > > Regards
                      > > 
                      > > Jon
                      > > 
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Sharon <deuxchat@y...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > I am doing research on my father-in-law's family who were from
                      > > Guyana.  They left in the late 1920s for the US.  Through US
                      > > immigration papers, I was able to find some info (which took
                      over
                      > 1
                      > > year to receive, by the way).  Still, there are many unanswered
                      > > questions - like marriage records, etc. 
                      > >
                      > > Will this genealogy society be based in Guyana or some other
                      > country? 
                      > > I have heard that it is almost impossible to do research outside
                      > of
                      > > Guyana - is that true?  
                      > >
                      > > The families I am researching are:  De Ryck, Busey (orignally
                      > planter
                      > > in Berbice), Brumell, and Cushman (or Cashman).  I am unsure of
                      > the
                      > > last surname because it is parents names handwritten on death
                      > > certificate and is difficult to read.
                      > >
                      > > What can we as members of this group, do to help get a society
                      > going?
                      > >
                      > > Sharon
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
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