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  • Jon - Budmart.co.uk
    Jun 8, 2005
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      Hello Neville
       
      Guyanese are very "Clannish" just like the Irish and others like the Jews, Greeks and Italians for example.
       
      By what you have stated, i assume that you are a "Mulatto" or similiar (i do not mean any offence if you find the term offensive as i am using it in a Historical context to mean someone of mixed Heritage), Nigeria and other parts of West Africa are the main places of origin for Afro-Guyanese and there were a lot of Scots in Guyana, they mostly filled the positions of Overseer on the Plantations.
       
      I have also heard that Quelch can also be Squelch, Welsh, Walsh or Welch which may still be of Scots origin but meaning a person that came from Wales.

      I think most Guyanese proberly wish it would become a Colony again then we would be in the same situation as French Guiana, much better off !

      There is still very much unfortunately a Class system in the U.K. and a Racial system where some get further than others because of their background or Ethnicity.

      The English and other British peoples - the Scots and Welsh pretty much consider themselves as Patriots and don't like each other let alone anyone else, so it is quite hard to get accepted as a Outsider.

      The British legal system is mainly the model for most Countries Worldwide as the English and Scottish Parliaments can be traced right back to the 11th and 13th Centuries respectively.

      The Queen is still the head of State and the English Parliament is divided into the Lords and Commons, it also has the power over the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland Parliaments and can veto or supercede any laws that they introduce if it wishes.

      Guyana has all the resources to make something of itself but has never managed to use it effectively or wisely.

      The British helped themselves to as much as they could while they were in charge and many Private Companies from Overseas have managed to make a good profit from these resources but Guyana hasn't managed to obtain anything from their own rich sources.

      It has been Guyana's Government policies over the decades since Independence that have lead to its regression and shameful title as being "the poorest Country in the western Hemisphere".

      Burnham's Government delved with Socialism and self-reliance cutting off trade with America and Western Europe and switching to Communist Countries and Rogue Middle Eastern States.

      Jagan's Government originally toyed with Communism thus leading to his imprisonment by the British and the 1953 Emergency but on re-instatement in 1992 had to alter their ideas and look to America and Europe again for trade and funding.

      Guyana did pick up a bit financially in the late 1990's as many Guyanese returned from Overseas and invested in the Country and things were on the up but they have now stopped in their tracks due to the current Security problem in the Country with widespread Banditry and Terrorism and their inability to deal with it.

      I know that Guyana's beaches aren't up to the standard of West Indian beaches and eco-tourism is Guyana's main hope but strangely they have produced a number of artificial beaches over the years at resorts in the interior.

      They are currently looking at turning Jonestown (morbid i know) into a tourist site as they think it will bring loads of American Tourists to Guyana !!

      They are making a big preparation for the Cricket World Cup with the building of a new National Stadium and updating the other Grounds plus the construction of new Hotels in Georgetown including a super-Hotel complex which comprises a shopping centre and Casino.

      They however, seem to have forgotten about the internal Crime problems which they need to get on top of before any mass Tourism to Guyana.

      They have so much potential but it is being ruined not by Foreigners but by fellow Guyanese.

      Regards

      Jon


      Neville Quelch <nquelch@...> wrote:

      Hi Jon:
       
      I understand and appreciate you Guyanese cultural link.  My family in UK are exactly the same.  Some were born in the UK and others left Guyana at a very young age.  When we get together, it is as if we knew each other  and had close relationships.  I guess it is a family thing with Guyanese.
       
      My sister in the UK traced my maternal roots to Nigeria via Barbados.  My paternal roots started in Scotland however, according to another genealogy organization , the name Quelch was originally Welsh then Welsh and finally Quelch.  It would appear that somewhere along the line, welsh was used because the originator was from Wales.  Just maybe the same name transition occur ed with other enquiring members of the group.
       
      In trying to understand Guyana's economic stagnation I was made to understand that the senior civil servants with ability to translate government policy into action left Guyana for the West Indies and the people who took their places know as much as me - nothing,
       
      In the UK you have a King or Queen, Lords, etc.  While such a system may have worked in the past, it served as a model that was not wanted in Canada and the USA.  That system created a class society and provided me with the understanding of being "Put in one's Place."  The Canadian society, like that in the US, does not have a class system and as such, anyone can be whatever anyone wants - no limitations.  Maybe that is why the British started leaving in the Sixties.  As a matter of fact, any English and their children who have lived in Canada prior to he Nineteen-Sixties and still have not applied for immigrant status cannot become Canadians and cannot vote in any election.
       
      Like every other country, we have our problems - great and small but our politicians understand that the economy of the country comes first.  When I went to Guyana in 1972, I thought that it was similarly understood.  My next visit was in 1980 and although the economic growth was slower, developing countries around the world were reeling from balance of payments due to having borrowed (to feed economic development) from commercial banks at regular commercial rates.  I went back in 1992 and could not believe that I was in the Guyana that showed such promise in 1972.
       
      Since then Guyana has changed governments and now has a President that studied closed-economy economics and trying to use the theories in an open economy.  It cannot work and will not work.  As far as the riches of Guyana goes, Guyana needs foreign investment in terms of money and technology to develop its natural resources.  Additionally, a market must exist for the products and that is controlled by US and on a lessor scale, the EU and Japan.
       
      Developmental economists suggested developing countries trade among themselves and be inventive to satisfy their needs rather than try to use equipment from the developed countries.  While this was an exceedingly good idea, the US (in my opinion) in ensuring the developing countries remain dependant and has formed trading blocks with most of them.  At the same time, the US, EU and Japan control what is produced, by whom and what is the selling price.
       
      While Guyana can try to push tourism as an industry, North Americans look for sandy beaches in tropical countries during the long winters.  When the tides from the Amazon river turn back to the continent, Guyana is the recipient of muddy water.  Any clear water beaches would have to be found in the interior.  It is only with much TV advertisement Guyana can showcase safe photographic safaris as an effective alternative.
       
      Caribbean tourism should not have been necessary, Guyana hosted the Non-Aligned League of Nations and Carifesta in 1972.  Those were events to build on.
       
      Regards
       
      Neville

      "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:
      Hello Neville
       
      I regard myself as British as i am born and raised in England but i don't regard myself as English as you pretty much have to be a "club member" to get into their "club".
       
      I prefer to call myself an Irish-Guyanese or ethnically a Eurasian/Anglo-Indian as my Mother is from Belfast and my Father from Port Mourant.
       
      I have a deep interest in both sides of my Family History and in both sides of my mixed Heritage.
       
      I have been to Guyana a number of times and been to various places in Berbice and Demerara.
       
      I may not have been born or bred there but i feel a strong link culturely.
       
      Regarding the comunication problems, i remember before Jagan coming to power having to travel miles to make a phone call home, Telecommunications are a lot better now plus now Guyana is online we can get news as it happens.
       
      For a little while there had been a lot of improvements, i had seen it for myself on many of my trips to Guyana but it has all seemed to have came to a halt and the Country unfortunately now seems to be regressing rather than progressing.
       
      Security is a major problem at the moment with the high rise in Crime and internal Terrorism.
       
      The Government is however investing a lot of money into Tourism and is hoping to highlight Guyana during the Cricket World Cup and put in onto the Caribbean Tourist map.
       
      Guyana is rich in resources, it has Gold, Diamonds, Oil and Bauxite amongst other main exports but seems to be poor in how it manages its affairs.
       
      I am also sure if Guyana was ever to receive a miraculous rebate or reparation from Britain it too would disappear just like George's Gold !!
       
      Nobody in the Towns or Villages would see any of it, thats for certain.
       
      Regards
       
      Jon

      Neville Quelch <nquelch@...> wrote:
      Hi Jon:
       
      I no longer call myself a Guyanese because I left in 1963 and worked all over Canada.  I was never able to keep up to date on Guyanese affairs  because of the obvious communication problems.  Today, I still keep out of Guyanese affairs and depend on people like you and this genealogy service for bits and pieces of information.  Any comments, as such, must be neutral  However, I saw real progress in 1972 when the company I worked for was contracted for the electrification program of the day.  I spent 5 months in Guyana watching new subdivisions, roads  and infrastructure projects in progress.  The electrification project would have permitted new industries to start and grow in the rural areas and help avoid the congestion problem that is plaguing most of the capital cities of the developing countries and especially South America.
       
      Before leaving Canada to work on the project, I was called into an executive's office and told that I was going back as a Canadian and must in no way get involved in Guyanese affairs.  During my 4th month, I was approached by the main opposition party first and by the governing party second for contributions.  I informed both parties of my directives and that I could not contribute any party.  It did not take very long after for me to be summoned and told that I was needed in Canada for another project.
       
      I will never know if it was arranged or a coincidence but I was needed in Canada.  I really wanted to contribute to Guyana's development in any small way that I could.  Recently, I looked at the yearly increase in GDP from 1960 to 2003.  I was surprised to learn that much development had not taken place.  If a miracle could take place where Guyana was reimbursed by the UK the money would disappear like that of the gold money of the famous composite "George Pitatoe(?)."
       
      Regards
       
      Neville

      "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:
      Hello Neville
       
      Thanks for your comments.
       
      Most Guyanese can trace their History back to the time of Slavery or Indenture.
       
      With the exception of the Amerindians who are the Native people of Guyana, all our Ancestors arrived in Guyana in one way or another due to the Sugar Industry.
       
      Sugar and Cotton were the two main exports that kept the British Empire running and Britain very wealthy.
       
      Britain is still a wealthy Nation today because of it's previous exploitation of "cheap labour" over the last 300 years or so.
       
      Although it may acknowledge it built it's wealth on the backs of our Ancestors, we are very unlikely to ever see any remorse or receive any apologies in anyway.
       
      Some have suggested the paying of reparations but this would bankrupt Britain as it was the main abuser of the Slavery/Indenture systems.
       
      Anyway it is all part of our History and the best thing to do is to build a decent future rather than living in the past.
       
      Regards
       
      Jon

      Neville Quelch <nquelch@...> wrote:
      Hi Jon:
       
      Thanks for the lesson.  It just goes to show what can be derived from the use of cheap labour in the production of economic goods.
       
      Enjoying this,
       
      Neville

      "Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:
      Hello Neville and Kizzyann
       
      There are numerous ways of looking at the point.
       
      Overall any one that isn't White is Black, then you have the different categories of Black - African, Indian, Mixed Heritage etc etc.
       
      There are a lot of people who have always considered themselves as "White" but have Black blood in them and they aren't aware of it until it has passed down the generations to their offspring.
       
      The term Mulatto is generally used in the Caribbean to describe someone who is either of mixed parentage (European/African) or of Mulatto parentage.
       
      They usually tend to be light skinned and have a mixture of European and African features.
       
      The terms Quadroon (a person having one-quarter African ancestry), Octoroon (a person whose ancestry is one-eighth African) and Quinteroon (a person who is one-sixteenth African; counted as White in some Countries) are also in use although less nowadays.
       
      These terms originate from the Colonial days especially in Spanish Colonies where your Racial make-up could affect your status in life and your inheritance, the laws were slightly more lax in the British Colonies.
       
      A lot of terms which are now deemed derogatory are still in common usage in the Caribbean where they aren't considered offensive or are considered less offensive as in other Regions.
       
      Refering to the Spanish terms, there are numerous terms such as Mestizo, Cafuzo, Sambo and various other terms of other Linguistic origins which describe the different mixes of African/European, African/Amerindian, African/East Indian, African/Chinese, Amerindian/European and East Indian/European and so on.
       
      I understood what you meant when you used the term Mulatto as meaning someone of mixed African and European heritage who is of a light-skinned complexion.
       
      Regards
       
      Jon
       

      kizzyann sam <kaas79@...> wrote:
      I'm sorry Neville i should not have placed the word race at the end of
      Mulatto, but the word Mulatto sometimes completely describes what a person
      would look like. My great grandfather as i was told had very pale complexion
      and it was difficult for anyone to know he had a drop of black blood in him
      unless that information was given to them . So by me saying Mulatto, members
      of the group i hope have a better understanding of the person i am looking
      for, if they were asking another individual instead of a paper trail.

      >From: Neville Quelch <nquelch@...>
      >Reply-To: guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com
      >To: guyanese_genealogy@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: Re: [guyanese_genealogy] searching
      >Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:08:31 -0400 (EDT)
      >
      >Hello All:
      >
      >I have been reading all of the correspondence with great interest.  I am
      >not searching for my family but enjoying the way you all have put energy
      >and time in helping each other.  I have never before seen Guyanese working
      >together in a common cause since independence.  Obviously it takes
      >politicians to screw-up the works.  Please do not let any politicians in.
      >
      >I have one comment to make to Kizzyann.  Mulatto is not a race.  The
      >Americans used a one percent rule that stated if a person had 1% Black
      >blood then the person is Black.  By using that rule, the various shades of
      >Black peoples have a common history.  If that history is taken away, then
      >the people termed mulatto would be without a history or place in the world.
      >  I certainly don't mind if some Blacks were called cocoa brown, peanut
      >brown,  etc.  At least they would be still be included as Blacks.
      >
      >With respect,
      >
      >Neville Quelch
      >
      >"Jon - Budmart.co.uk" <budmartuk@...> wrote:
      >Hello Kizzyann
      >
      >I will have a look and see what i can find out and get back to you in a few
      >days with any findings.
      >
      >Speak to you soon.
      >
      >Regards
      >
      >Jon
      >
      >kizzyasam <kaas79@...> wrote:
      >My name is Kizzyann sam I am searching for my mother's (Florence
      >Griffith) relatives.My mother was born in Bush Lot, Essequibo. All my
      >father's genealogy records are accounted for. All i have to track my
      >mother's side is very vage and almost non-exsistant, with names given
      >to her from my grandmother (Margaret Griffith) who was afraid my mother
      >would not be accepted into the family because of her skin color. My
      >grandmother's father came to Guyana,from Barbados and settled in the
      >pomeroon around early 1920'sor much earlier. His name was Griffith and
      >of the malatto race. My grandmother's mother family came from India
      >with the name...Cadeir... which the changed later to ....cadells... my
      >spelling of these names may be a bit off. I would really like to
      >reconect with this half of my family. If anyone has information i would
      >really appreciate it.
      >
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