Re: [GTh] Is there Heavenly Ascent Mysticism in the Gospel of Thomas ?
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "sarban" <sarban@...> wrote:
etc, etc etc ....
and thank you for your note .
In your reply, (that is, your reply with
respect to item "b"), you point out that your basic
problem (that of "The Living One" being a
reference to the "Supreme God" ) is that in
Logion 52 the "living one" seems to be
Jesus ... i.e. ( L52 You have omitted the
one living in your presence and have spoken
only of the dead.)
You may wish to consider that only about
2/3ds of Thomas is inspired from the New Testament
while the other 1/3rd comes from a wide variety of
other sources (Janism, Buddhism etc with one or two
even coming from non religious sources e.g. Plato
in logia 50, 83,84 etc.
Added to this enigma (enigma to some, anyways) is
the equally perplexing reality that logia 51 53
(including logia 52 which you feel tells us that "the
Living One seems to mean Jesus") are 3 of the very
rare / unique Thomas logia which are not literally
prefaced by the words "Jesus said " How, then, can
we be persuaded that logion 52 points to Jesus as the
Living One when Jesus is not even mentioned in it
and a full one third of Thomas' logia are not even
New Testament inspired or referenced ???)
So literally, at least, the "Him" to whom the
"disciples" are talking to in L 52 could be any religious
leader being asked a question by his/her disciples,
and not necessarily Jesus In fact, I would suggest
that it is highly unlikely that the reference (L.52) is
even being made to Jesus, and indeed that it is not even
being made to a Jewish person because the prophets
of the Old Testament don't' number 24 but rather
only 16 (Count em' it is their Books which number
24, but not them as a group .) As a result, identifying
the 24 prophets which the author of Thomas supposedly
refers to in this logion remains yet highly problematic
as a reference to Jesus, and is even problematic still
if one counts Jesus himself as a prophet.
Soooo, in my Thomas model, at least, using L 52
as demonstrative that "the Living One seems to be Jesus"
is a pretty tough row to hoe for me, at least think