- That s true. Early uncials normally didn t show breathings. --Don I have always imagined that paradise will be a kind of library. --Jorge Luís BorgesMessage 1 of 6 , Oct 31, 2008View SourceThat's true. Early uncials normally didn't show breathings.
"I have always imagined that paradise will be a kind of library."
--Jorge Luís Borges
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> From: Michael Grondin <mwgrondin@...>
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> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:20:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [GTh] Transcribing the Greek Fragments
> > In the process of converting to Coptic-style capital letters,
> > would you be losing any information, such as "breathings?"
> As far as I can tell from the rather poor facsimiles in Hurtado's
> _Earliest Christian Artifacts_, such markings aren't present. In
> fact, I seem to recall that they weren't generally used in early
> uncial manuscripts.
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- Hi Mike, I can help, at least with proofing. I am glad you are going to represent the text in caps, as close to the MS as possible. I think this simplifiesMessage 2 of 6 , Nov 1, 2008View SourceHi Mike, I can help, at least with proofing. I am glad you are going to represent the text in caps, as close to the MS as possible. I think this simplifies analysis. Regards, Paul
Michael Grondin wrote:
> Back on October 9th, Roger Mott asked what happened to
> Andrew Bernhard's interlinear presentation of the Greek
> fragments, to which I had linked from my own interlinear
> presentation of the Coptic. I've since been in contact with
> Andrew, and here's how things stand currently: Andrew is
> rebuilding his site in a different direction such that his
> Thomas material may no longer have a place there. He has
> graciously offered his presentations of the Greek fragments
> to me, for placement on my site. The transfer process is now
> underway, albeit slowly.
> As this unfolded, however, I came to realize that the lettering
> on Andrew's images (as well as that of any other transcription
> I'd seen - including Layton's) didn't match the kind of lettering
> on the P.Oxy. fragments. Apparently, the standard way to
> represent a text written in Greek is to use small Greek letters.
> The P.Oxy. fragments, however, were written in capital letters,
> using the Coptic forms, which is some cases differed from
> Greek capitals. In fact, the lettering on the P.Oxy. fragments
> looks very much like the lettering on the NH codices. So a
> radical thought occurred to me: hey, why not show the P.Oxy.
> fragments using Coptic capital letters, just as it was written?
> I don't know whether this has yet been done, but in any case
> I'm starting on this little project, using Layton's transcription
> as a base, and hoping that maybe someone will volunteer to
> either check my work or otherwise help out. In the end, I plan
> to link to the thus-created images, either instead of or in
> addition to, the standard small-letter Greek presentations.
- This is to let everyone know that Andrew Bernhard s files on the P.Oxy. fragments have now been stored on my site. He still has them on his hard drive, ofMessage 3 of 6 , Nov 18, 2008View SourceThis is to let everyone know that Andrew Bernhard's files on
the P.Oxy. fragments have now been stored on my site. He
still has them on his hard drive, of course, but as previously
indicated, they will no longer be available on his site. Anyone
who linked to them should now link to:
In other news on this front, Paul Lanier and I are working on
the transcription of the P.Oxy. fragments into Coptic-Greek
uncials, as the manuscripts were originally written. What's
still up in the air is whether we'll use Andrew's reconstruction
of the lacunae (which are quite extensive) or some other one
(perhaps Layton's in his critical edition of Codex II.) I have
decided, however, to maintain both sets of representations -
Andrew's for those coming from the Greek side, the new one
for those coming from the Coptic side. I also have some hopes
of being able to obtain copies of the photographs contained
in the old Grenfell-Hunt books to post to my site.
Mt. Clemens, MI