Re: [GTh] Facsimiles Online!
- --- In email@example.com, "Michael Grondin" <mwgrondin@...>
> You may not have been to my facsimiles page. See-Hi Mike and Jack,
> As stated there, "The last six lines of page 51 are the
> beginning of The Gospel of Phillip".
Thanks for pointing me to the additional information regarding pages
32 and 51. And Mike, I remember you have posted about numbers and the
possible symbolism in them. Have you any thoughts about the row of
(spheres that are connected in a herringbone fashion)? That row of
symbols is located after the last saying #114 as a filler of the last
line of the text in the GTh? There are apparently 2x19
spheres/circles according to my count.
ISTM that they were intentional rather than doodling; especially now
seeing the border that follows the Apocryphon of John text. That
series of symbols has 3 circles/spheres per symbol. All but the end
one are connected by a horizontal line meaning something else?
Perhaps 2 spheres into one spherical? The line right above the row
of symbols is "Jesus Christ, Amen"
And then below the row of symbols is the title "the Secret Revelation
Since you have copies of most of the Nag H. original Coptic text,
have you noticed any different patterns at the ending of each
document? I remember that we discussed the patterns on the leather
bindings on the other list and the imbedded "cross" that is in the
P.S. I too, ordered that paperback by Larry Hurtado based on your's
and Jack's posts. Thanks.
- Fair enough. I wasn't aware of the Metzer translation, which is mildly
embarassing, given the area of my PhD. :-) Mind you, there is nothing about
the title of the book or the publication details that would suggest that I
might find an English translation of anything in it and I'm trying to avoid
other people's English translations as much as possible until I've done my
own, so I haven't gone looking.
I would also respect Metzger's opinion, but it remains the opinion of one
scholar (as does Turner's or Quispel's or anyone else's) and there are
other, equally eminent scholars who disagree with him and have put their
reasons in writing. I actually don't have a particularly firm position on
this, but I would find it much more helpful to hear *why* particular
scholars hold particular opinions - the name alone isn't convincing.
Rev Judy Redman
Uniting Church Chaplain
University of New England
Armidale 2351 Australia
ph: +61 2 6773 3739
fax: +61 2 6773 3749
web: http://www.une.edu.au/chaplaincy/uniting/ and
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2008 11:53 AM
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> Subject: Re: [GTh] Facsimiles Online!
> Judy wrote:
> > Coptic is *crawling* with Greek loanwords.
> The double and triple names of Thomas are a special case. But
> I'll return to that in a later message (hopefully soon).
> > Incidentally, can I suggest that "I once asked X"
> > isn't a particularly convincing argument unless X has actually
> > published on the particular issue?
> Feel free to suggest away. Personally speaking, I would respect Dr.
> Metzger's opinion even if he hadn't published on this issue,
> but I asked him specifically because he had published an
> English translation of the Coptic Gospel According to Thomas
> in Aland, Kurt (ed.) Synopsis quattuor
> evangelium: locus parallelis evangeliorum apocryphon et
> patrum adhibitis, Thirteen revised edition. (Stuttgart,
> Germany: Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft, 1985).
> There's also a website that quotes Dr. Metzger (from the
> book, The Case For Christ, by Lee Strobel) as saying the following:
> "The Gospel of Thomas came to light in a fifth-century copy
> in Coptic, which I've translated into English. It contains
> 114 sayings attributed to Jesus but no narrative of what he
> did, and seems to have been written in Greek in Syria in
> about AD 140. In some cases I think this gospel correctly
> reports what Jesus said, with slight modifications." (pp. 67-68)
> - Kevin Johnson
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