Re: [GTh] Does disrobing in saying 37 refer to baptism?
- Jonathon Z. Smith also held to this belief, but I don't have the reference readily available.
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Subject: [GTh] Does disrobing in saying 37 refer to baptism?
His disciples said, when will you be revealed to us and when shall we
see you. "When you disrobe without being ashamed and and take up your
garments and place them under your feet and trample on them like
little children, then you will see the son of the living one and not
It came to me in the night that there actually is a time in john/jesus
practice where one publically disrobes.
In John's baptism one confesses one's sins to the assembled crowd and
then enters the Jordan, presumably naked. According to Josephus
writing on John's baptism, baptism was the outward sign of the inward
change. In other words, one confessed, was forgiven, was no longer
ashamed, and could strip in public and receive the baptismal water as
the outward sign.
The didache, I believe, says that christian baptism should be done in
living water, but if not available, etc. This means that early
Christain baptism was still an immersion baptism not a sprinkling
When will you see Jesus - in baptism, when you feel forgiven enough
and open enough to strip in public, you will recieve the son of the
living one, the spirit of Jesus, and not be afraid.
Trampling on the garments probably refers to putting off the body and
being clothed in light, symbolized by recieving a white robe at
baptism, a custom that I believe goes back to New Testament times.
Here stripping in public functions as a test of one's internal state,
something like fire-walking in new age psycho/religion.
Is this new? Is this true?
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