Re: [GTh] GTh 114
- In a message dated 09/08/2006 07:13:22 GMT Daylight Time, sarban@...
>>So also, in the case of Adam, the male remained in him but all the femaleseed was taken from him >>and became Eve
Thank you, Andrew. A neoplatonic ascent of the soul, through the genders
with the eventual loss of the feminine. It seems to indicate a primordial
hermaphrodite or unsexed human creation before the female split from Adam - and
yet it is a commentary on "He created them in the image of God, male and
female created he them."
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- [Jed Chandler]:
> Perhaps also one could argue the interpretation of 114The chief difficulty here would be to argue that Mary
> that Jesus as Logos will lead Mary as Sophia to gestate
> (female) and spread (male) the truth.
represents Sophia. The word 'sophia' isn't used at all
in the text (much less equate Mary to it). Secondarily, the
one place that 'logos' is used (79.2 - "Blessed are they
who have listened to the LOGOS of the Father...") doesn't
imply that Jesus is the Logos. The basic idea of listening
(gestating?) as passive and female, and preaching as
active and male seems sound, but this would apply to
both physical males and females. Beyond that, getting
full-blown Gnostic ideas out of GTh is like trying to get
water out of a stone. More likely, 114 may have been
viewed as a reversal of Genesis - with the new Adam
leading the new Eve to spirituality, as the old Eve led
the old Adam into sin and the physical world.
> I wonder if there is also an element of the ValentinianI don't see any evidence of that in the text.
> concept of a kind of hierarchy of maleness, too?