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the Rule of the Shepherds

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  • Tom Saunders
    Hi Stephen Peter, Thank you for this great post. You suggest.... It is possible that the Mark account is complied from more than one source and that story of
    Message 1 of 1 , May 24, 2004
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      Hi Stephen Peter,

      Thank you for this great post. You suggest....

      "It is possible that the Mark account is complied from more than one source and that story of Jesus appearing before the Roman governor Pilate is an alternative version of Jesus' confrontation with the Shepherds."

      This explanation of the parable (shepherds) would be consistant with the idea that gnosis is achieved by three states of awareness, the psyche or nous, the earthly or kenomic, and the heavenly or pleromic. Your explanation certainly covers the pleromic analogy of the vineyard parable. In this state all the characters are divine. I still do not hold that Mark is first, but the parable is pretty much the same in all the Gospels.

      2nd post...

      "The nativity story would have distorted the spiritual descent of Jesus into Mary into a physical birth arising through the agency of the Holy Spirit. Indeed in Docetism we find a persistent early belief that Jesus had come spiritually and not physically through the medium of Mary."

      Which Mary is definitely a puzzle. From Papias fragments......."1.) Mary the mother of the Lord; (2.) Mary the wife of Cleophas or Alphaeus, who was the mother of James the bishop and apostle, and of Simon and Thaddeus, and of one Joseph; (3.) Mary Salome, wife of Zebedee, mother of John the evangelist and James; (4.) Mary Magdalene. These four are found in the Gospel. James and Judas and Joseph were sons of an aunt (2) of the Lord's. James also and John were sons of another aunt (3) of the Lord's. Mary (2), mother of James the Less and Joseph, wife of Alphaeus was the sister of Mary the mother of the Lord, whom John names of Cleophas, either from her father or from the family of the clan, or for some other reason. Mary Salome (3) is called Salome either from her husband or her village. Some affirm that she is the same as Mary of Cleophas, because she had two husbands."

      You also suggest that Magadalene is the tower and Peter the foundation. I think there could be another consideration here in that the 'stone the builders rejected' may refer to John the Baptist.

      Heracleon Fragment 5, on John 1:23 (In John 1:23, "He said, 'I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, 'Make straight the way of the Lord,' as the prophet Isaiah said.'") The Word is the Savior, the voice in the wilderness is that symbolized by John, and the echo is the whole prophetic order. . . A voice which is well fitted to the Word, becomes Word, just as a woman is transformed into a man. . . The echo can be changed in a similar way into a voice, giving the place of a disciple to the voice which is changed into Word., but the place of a slave to the echo which is changed into voice. . . When the Savior speaks of a prophet and Elijah [Matthew 11:9,14], he is speaking not of John himself, but of his attributes. But when he calls him greater than the prophets and than those who are born of women [Matthew 11:9,11, See also Thomas 46.(My insertion here) Jesus said, "From Adam to John the Baptist, among those born of women, no one is so much greater than John the Baptist that his eyes should not be averted.], then he is describing the character of John himself. When John is asked about himself, his answers relate to himself, not to attributes. . . His attributes, like clothes, were other than himself. If he were asked about his clothes "Are you your clothes?" he would not have answered "Yes." . . . The Jews sent priests and Levites to question John because it was fitting for these people to concern themselves with, and investigate these matters, for they were firmly devoted to God, and because he (John) was of the Levitical tribe. . . They asked him if he were a prophet, wishing to know this more general fact [John 1:21]. . . It was prophetically arranged that Isaiah would call him (John) "greater," since no other of all those who prophesied was deemed worthy of this honor by God."

      The influence of Mary Magdalene, and John the Baptist on Christianity is not entirely known for several reasons, including misunderstanding and cover-ups. I think it is possible that the 'Baptist' set down a framework for Jesus, but Jesus built his 'theory of knowledge' on his own base of spirituality. So, the Baptist would be the 'stone' the builders rejected.

      Tom Saunders
      Platter Flats, OK








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