... From: David C. Hindley To: Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:36 AM Subject: RE: [GTh] Nag Hammadi &
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, Aug 4, 2003
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From: "David C. Hindley" <dhindley@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:36 AM
Subject: RE: [GTh] Nag Hammadi & Oxyrhynchus
> Maurice Cormier asks:
> >>Is there any chance you can provide a reference to Hippolytus' quote, or
> possibly better still, the wording of what you refer to as "a distorted
> version of logion 4 of our Thomas" ....<<
> Hippolytus, _Refutation_, Book V, Chapter 2:
> "But they assert that not only is there in favour of their doctrine,
> testimony to be drawn from the mysteries of the Assyrians, but also from
> those of the Phrygians concerning the happy nature--concealed, and yet at
> the same time disclosed--of things that have been, and are coming into
> existence, and moreover will be,-(a happy nature) which, (the Naassene)
> says, is the kingdom of heaven to be sought for within a man. And
> this (nature) they hand down an explicit passage, occurring in the Gospel
> inscribed according to Thomas, expressing themselves thus: "He who seeks
> will find, me in children from seven years old; for there concealed, I
> in the fourteenth age be made manifest." This, however, is not (the
> teaching) of Christ, but of Hippocrates, who uses these words: "A child of
> seven years is half of a father." And so it is that these (heretics),
> placing the originative nature of the universe in causative seed, (and)
> having ascertained the (aphorism) of Hippocrates, that a child of seven
> years old is half of a father, say that in fourteen years, according to
> Thomas, he is manifested." (Translation is from _Ante-Nicene Fathers_, Vol
> V, page 50, but available online if you look for it)
> Logion #4 is partly preserved in Greek (P. Oxy. IV 654) but it is closer
> (although not identical) to the Coptic version than the form that
> said the Naasenes used.
Can I add that there are other sayings attributed to the Naassenes by
Hippolytus that resemble logia from Thomas.
e.g. "You devour the dead and make the living; but if you eat the living,
what will you do ? which vaguely resembles logion 11 in Thomas.
The Naassenes are a very interesting group, both in their own right and in
respect of the early use of Thomas.
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