Re: [GTh] Thomas and John
> Of the canonical gospels, only in GJohn is Thomas given a talking
> part. Of course there is the doubting Thomas of ch 21. But he also
> speaks in ch 11 where he suggests that the disciples trek with Jesus
> back to Jerusalem in order to die with him. Was this part of the
> original text or was it inserted in order to ingratiate
> Thomas-influenced folks? On the other hand perhaps it was originally
> a part of the text. If so could it be that Jesus' or someone else's
> response has been excised from the text? It sure seems like something
> is missing and there could well have originally been more to the
> narrative. The story just doesn't flow in this section. I guess we
> will never know for sure.
> Steve AllisonHere is the story in the King James Version:
-Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee;
and goest thou thither again?
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in
the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if
a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.-
This reply does not make sense in relation to the question. But if we took
the final element of the reply in isolation:
"If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light
[...]. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no
light in him."
then we have something which would seem quite at home in the Gospel of
Thomas. So where has the story about going into Judaea come from? One
possibility is that it has been put there to explain Thomas saying "Let us
also go, that we may die with him." So perhaps we have some original saying
or ritualistic elements which have been turned into a literal story. If we
take out the story elements we then have:
[Jesus says] "If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth
the light [...]. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because
there is no light in him."
[Jesus says] "Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him
out of sleep."
[Thomas says] "Let us also go, that we may die with him."
Which does sound like a ritual. Perhaps Jesus is dying to redeem Lazarus
from sleep/death and the disciples are dying symbolically with him. This
ritualistic formula has then been turned by the writer of John into a