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RE: [GTh] Beyond Belief

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  • David C. Hindley
    ... orthodox to gnostic. Therefor it is possible that much of what Tertullian presented will be very different at different times.
    Message 1 of 2 , Jun 6 9:13 PM
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      Tom Saunders says:

      >>We must consider that Tertullian had a change of heart and changed from
      orthodox to gnostic. Therefor it is possible that much of what Tertullian
      presented will be very different at different times.<<

      Actually, he became a Montanist, who were more like modern Pentecostal
      fundamentalists than gnostics.

      Irenaeus quotes the Shepherd as scripture in _Against Heresies_ 4.20.2,
      sometime between 182-188 CE. Tertullian, who speaks of the Shepherd politely
      to make a point in _On Prayer_ Ch. XVI around 192 CE, and pointedly
      disparages the Shepherd as the "scripture of adulterers" in _On Modesty_, Ch
      X & XX, around 208.

      While no one knows for sure when exactly Tertullian became a Montanist, it
      is believed to have occurred between the writing of _On Prayer_ and _On
      Modesty_. Actually, this change in tone concerning the Shepherd can be
      treated as the "smoking gun" indicating the approximate period within which
      this conversion occurred (i.e., 192 to 208 CE), because the Shepherd is
      supposed to be anti-Montanist in tone (meaning, really, that it showed no
      sign of "incipient fanaticism," not that it actually seems to have any
      direct connection to known Montanist doctrines).

      I just find it hard to see how a Greek speaking bishop of Lyons (in Gaul)
      ends up being a front for the Latin speaking Tertullian, a lawyer of
      Carthage (in Africa). Talk about a second career!

      Respectfully,

      Dave Hindley
      Cleveland, Ohio, USA
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