RE: RE: [GTh] Clement, Tatian and Thomas (was just Tatian and Thomas)
- On 22 Oct 2002 at 7:08, Rick Hubbard wrote:
> I confess that I am uncertain whether you agree that it IS difficultI think I am wanting to say simply that the reasons given by
> (impossible?) to date either Thomas or Mark or whether you are saying
> that it is possible to date both.
Patterson for difficulties in dating Thomas equally well apply to
Mark. I don't think the difference in genre prejudices either. As
it happens, I think it may be easier to date Mark given our current
knowledge; there's an emerging consensus that it is dated in or
around the time of the Jewish War. If Perrin is right, and I reserve
judgement until I've had a chance to read his book, then Thomas will
suddenly become much easier to date with such a narrow window
available between the Diatessaron and the Oxy fragments. But the
specific questions of when we date Mark and Thomas are different from
the general issue raised by Patterson, and it's that that I disagree
with. It seems to me that he is drawing a contrast that is not
> Finally, I agree whole-heartedly with your observation about theYes, these are exactly the kinds of question I was trying to raise.
> frequency of confusion (not just potential, but actual) between
> tradition-history and literary-history (and not just in the case of
> Thomas, but other writings from late antiquity as well). If one
> attends exclusively to the respective ages of various traditions in
> Thomas, for example, then it seems to me that it could be argued
> persuasively that SOME PORTIONS of Thomas have connections to the most
> primitive stages of the Jesus tradition(s). If such observations are
> correct, then does one dare say that Thomas is "early"? Or,
> conversely, based on material that clearly originated much later in
> the history of emergent Christianity, does one argue Thomas is "late"?
A late date for the final composition of the Gospel of Thomas, were
that to be established, would not necessarily mean that the
traditions contained within it are also late.
Dr Mark Goodacre mailto:M.S.Goodacre@...
Dept of Theology tel: +44 121 414 7512
University of Birmingham fax: +44 121 414 4381
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