Re: [GTh] Origin of the "Douting Thomas" Trope
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From: Miceal Ledwith <cimleah@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [GTh] Origin of the "Douting Thomas" Trope
> Could you clarify the sense of your last paragraph where you refer to the
> of "Didymus" only in John? I seem to have missed your sense since
> means "Twin."
> Miceall Ledwith
"Thomas" is the English form of the Aramaic TOMA which means "twin."
is a Greek redundancy. I think the Thomas block was added to 4G in one of
the 2nd century
editings and before the incorporation of the Woman Taken in Adultery block
(8:1-11) and the
Chapter 21 appendix. The earliest manuscript of John that contains the
Thomas block is P66
which dates to 200 CE at the latest and perhaps earlier in the 2nd century.
It is certainly
possible, in fact likely, that the author of the Thomas block or its editor,
was familiar with
the Gospel of Thomas, the Greek texts of which date to the same time period.
possible that a Johannine editor of 4G in Ephesus is taking a shot at the
- It is thought provoking. I'm still not sure what I myself make of it. I note
that Bill Arnal wrote recently (on crosstalk perhaps?) of 'early christian'
texts being on a spectrum - from those produced reflecting the views of a
community (does that imply that the implied audience of the text is the
community whose views it can be said to reflect?) to those that are perhaps
the product of a single scribe (presumably drawing on some wider sense of
the Jesus tradition but not relecting the views, (nor perhaps intended to be
used by?), just one community). Bill wrote of Q being at the communal end of
the spectrum (though if you accept the classic two document hypothesis - Q
must have circulated rapidly to other scribes/communities) - I wonder where
he would place Thomas?
You may be interested to know that David Sim responds directly and very
critically to Bauckham's argument in a piece in a recent JSNT. Likewise
Philip Esler had a big go at it in the Scottish Journal of Theology (with an
ascerbic response by Bauckham).
Be interested to hear your thoughts when you've got a moment.
From: Rick Hubbard [mailto:rhubbard@...]
Sent: 06 June 2002 23:48
Subject: RE: [GTh] Jacobs Remarks on The Extent of the Thomas Community
(from months ago)
Seeing your name pop up in the latest thread reminded me that I recently
(and finally) was able to lay my hands on the Bauckham work you referenced
I haven't had time to digest the entirety of his article (mostly cuz I was
standing at the library checkout counter while trying to read it) but I'll
say this: VERY THOUGHT PROVOKING. I'm looking forward to reading the article
more closely to see how (or if) it "sharpens my disagreement...."