## RE: [GTh] "Strata" (was: #77 is authentic Jesus Saying)

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• ... and to examine those places where they exhibit disagreement/agreement. I did that a few months ago and have the tables stored on an Excel spreadsheet.
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Rick Hubbard says:

>>It is also instructive to compare "Kloppenborg's Q" with "Mack's Q"
and to examine those places where they exhibit disagreement/agreement.
I did that a few months ago and have the tables stored on an Excel

I just did it now for the instructive value. While there are
agreements there are also disagreements between them, such as the
level to place 10:16,23-24 and 12:08-12. I hope the following retains
its formatting (Mack = _Lost Gospel_, Klopp = _Excavating Q_). For the
"class" I used Mack's Q1, Q2 & Q3, and for Kloppenborg I made up the
symbols A 1 to A 6 for his six basic structures he is sure are
fundamental.

Luke Mack Class Klopp Class
1 Lost QS1 Q1 S1
2 Lost QS2 Q3 n/a
3 03:01-06 QS3 Q2a S2
4 03:07-09 QS4 Q2a S3
5 03:16-17 QS5 Q2a S4
6 04:01-13 QS6 Q3 S6 Late addition
7 06:20a QS7 Q1 S7
8 06:20-23 QS8 Q1 S8 A 1
9 06:23c Interpolation
10 06:27-35 QS9 Q1 S9 A 1
11 06:36-38 QS10 Q1 S10 A 1
12 06:39-40 QS11 Q1 S11 A 1
13 06:41-42 QS12 Q1 S12 A 1
14 06:43-45 QS13 Q1 S13 A 1
15 06:46-49 QS14 Q1 S14 A 1
16 07:01-10 QS15 Q2a S15
17 07:18-23 QS16 Q2a S16
18 07:24-28 QS17 Q2a S17
19 n/a S18
20 n/a S19
21 07:31-35 QS18 Q2a S20
22 09:57-62 QS19 Q1 S21 A 2
23 10:01-11 QS20 Q1 S22 A 2
24 10:12 QS21 Q2a n/a Interpolation
25 10:13-15 QS22 Q2a S23 Interpolation
26 10:16 QS23 Q2b S24 A 2
27 10:21-22 QS24 Q3 S25 Insertion
28 10:23-24 QS25 Q2b S26 A 2 ?
29 11:01-04 QS26 Q1 S27 A 3
30 11:09-13 QS27 Q1 S28 A 3
31 11:14-23 QS28 Q2a S29
32 11:23 QS29 Q2b n/a
33 11:24-26 QS30 Q2b S30
34 11:27-28 QS31 Q3 S31
35 11:16,29-32 QS32 Q2a S32
36 11:33-35 QS33 Q2b S33
37 11:39-52 QS34 Q2a S34 11:42c late
38 12:02-03 QS35 Q1 S35 A 4
39 12:04-07 QS36 Q1 S36 A 4
40 12:08-09,10 Interpolation
41 12:08-12 QS37 Q2b S37-9 A 4
42 12:13-21 QS38 Q1 S40
43 12:22-31 QS39 Q1 S41 A 5
44 12:33-34 QS40 Q1 S42 A 5
45 n/a S43
46 12:39-40 QS41 Q2a S44
47 12:42-46 QS42 Q2a S45
48 12:49-53 QS43 Q2a S46
49 12:54-56 QS44 Q2a S47
50 12:57-59 QS45 Q2a S48
51 13:18-21 QS46 Q1 S49 A 6
52 13:24-27 QS47 Q2a S50
53 13:28-30 QS48 Q2a S51
54 13:34-35 QS49 Q3 S52
55 n/a S53
56 14:11;18:14 QS50 Q1 S54
57 14:16-24 QS51 Q1 S55
58 14:26-27;17:33 QS52 Q1 S56 A 6
59 14:34-35 QS53 Q1 S57 A 6
60 15:04-10 QS54 Q2b S58-59
61 16:13 QS55 Q2b S60
62 16:16-18 QS56 Q3 S61 16:17 late
63 17:01-02 QS57 Q2b S62
64 17:03-04 QS58 Q2b S63
65 17:06 QS59 Q2b S64
66 n/a S65
67 17:23-37 QS60 Q2a S66
68 19:11-27 QS61 Q2a S67
69 22:28-30 QS62 Q3 S68

It seems to me that Kloppenborg is much more guarded in identifying
relationships between redactions than Mack was, although he feels that
the finished product was rather sophisticated. However, Mack
definitely places a lot more of Q in the early level than does
Kloppenborg.

>>If anyone wants to take a peek at the comparison, let me know and
I'll send the file directly<<

I think that would be grand! What sources did you consult? Does any of
Kloppenborg's work actually outline "levels" like Mack does, or is a
comparison between them sort of like that between apples and oranges?

Respectfully,

Dave Hindley
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
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