Re: [GTh] Re: Gospels as Historical Novels
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Subject: [GTh] Re: Gospels as Historical Novels
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> From: "Michael Grondin" <mgrondin@...>
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> Dear Michael:
> Mark does not call his document a novel, nor does it fall into any
> literary type of historical novel current in the first century CE. If
> is a novel, then why doesn't Luke, in Luke 1:1-4, tell Theophilus that his
> main source for Luke was a novel? I see, then, no reason to think that
> Mark's gospel is a novel. What reason(s) do you have for thinking it is?
Literary critic John Cawelti, with whom I had the good fortune to study with
when he was at the University of Chicago, is a popular arts scholar and uses
formula as the basis of his critiques of popular culture. He is very well
known for _The Six-gun Mystique_ which is about the western.
He maintains in _Adventure, Mystery, and Romance_ that in the development of
popular artforms there are "formula" works and "anti-formulaic" works whose
success is predicated by an evolutionary hypothesis: formula works survive
precisely because there is a formula--it allows the fan to relate to
pre-existent plot devices and characters who fall into the mold of prior
works. STAR WARS never would have become the biggest movie hit of time
without a whole plethora of these: rocketships, robots, aliens, galactic
empires &c. However, anti-formulaic works tend to be selected against but
on those rare occassions where they are selected for they go on to become
origins of a new genre.
With this in mind we may view the three Synoptics as "historical fiction"
anyway, they were simply a nascent formula which did not develop into later
> Having said this, I do think that there is a gospel that is a
> novel and this is John
I agree wholeheartedly here. Not only is it historical fiction but a
full-blown Gnostic gospel which somehow made its way into the Christian
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- This sounds interesting. Where can I find a copy of Joseph and Asenath? Is
it available online anywhere?
> We possess a Jewish work, Joseph and Asenath (to be short-handed as JA)---
> that definitely is a historical novel written in Greek. Indeed, in The
> History of Ancient Israel (p. 262), Michael Grant states, "It may be the
> oldest Greek novel in existence. Its author, however, was a Jew, although
> he presents Judaism as a mystery religion on a par with the many other
> Hellenistic faiths of that kind, involving elaborate initiations, which
> pervaded the Hellenistic world."
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From: "Jon Zuck" <frimmin@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [GTh] Re: Gospels as Historical Novels
> This sounds interesting. Where can I find a copy of Joseph and Asenath?
> it available online anywhere?
Dear Jon Zuck:
There is a web-site for Joseph and Asenath that is maintained by Dr. Mark
Goodacre of the University of Birmingham. It includes a translation of this
text. If I copied it correctly (a big if), the web-site address is
http://www.bham.ac.uk/theology/goodacre. On it is also listed this (again,
hopefully copied correctly) M.S.Goodacre@... This is possibly Dr.
Goodacre's e-mail address. I hope this helps.
Maplewood, MN USA