[gthomas] Re: Saying 97
- Concerning logion 97 I would like to point out the saying from the
Hebrew (Ebionite) Gospel: The Saviour said: "Now my mother, the holy
spirit, took me by one of my hairs and carried me to the high mountain
This tallies with an interpretation of the jar as a person of light
who is carried by the holy spirit (i.e. a woman who is the mother).
This may also point at a possibility that Jesus understood the holy
spirit as a person of feminine gender.
I have pondered the question of why the woman is unconscious of the
fact that the jar is leaking. The leaking can be understood as the
suffering of a person of light. The leaking is when his blood (i.e.
the meal) pours down on earth. Jesus may have experienced his life as
continous suffering. Although he was securely carried by the mother,
this female person must have been unconscious of the suffering,
otherwise she would take measures to stop the bleeding and mend the
wound. Why this unconsciousness must exist is yet another mystery in
the divine drama. But this may at least enhance the understanding of
the suffering of Christ on the cross and his lamentation "...My God,
my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mat 27:46).
I'm sorry that I repeat myself from here on but I want to repeat some
of my views on logion 97 for new participants:
We can look upon it within the context of the sayings where he speaks
about the light: (Logion 24) "...There is light within a person of
light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, it is
dark." (Logion 77) "..I am the light that is over all things. I am
all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.
So the meal may be understood as more or less the same as the light
which a person of light shines on the world during his lifetime. One
can understand this as the Son returning to the Father after his
mission on earth. So a jar spilling meal over the world has a
symbolical resemblance to a lamp that "spills" light over the world.
The latter conception occurs in the Gospel as sayings of Jesus e.g.
Luk 11:36: "If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no
part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright
shining of a candle doth give thee light."
What seems to occur is that a person of light "breaks" and because of
this leaks the white light upon the world. This, of course, is true
about Christ. He suffered while on earth, and while crucified he was
penetrated with a lance so that his blood poured out on earth. The
notion of breaking is obvious in the case of the breaking of the bread
(to Jesus a very important conception). In John 6:51 Jesus says: "I am
the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this
bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my
flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
A loaf of bread can be seen as a receptacle of meal. The loaf must be
broken and distributed to the people. This is similar to the breaking
of the jar which causes the spiritual meal to leak out upon the world.
But the breaking entails suffering. It seems to imply that a wound has
to be inflicted in order for the light to leak out from a
What is very curious in this parable is that the woman carries on
unconscious of the fact that the jar is leaking. This may be how Jesus
experienced his life as a person of light. He feels like a receptacle
of spirit that continously pours forth like a fountain of light. But
in some way he is passive. He is carried by the unconscious woman and
has no other choice than to carry out his Father's will by suffering
and spreading the grace of God upon earth. So the unconscious woman
then, could be interpreted as the unconscious psyche. The immense
power of the unconscious is carrying him through life and takes him
back to his Father's house. This is true about any person of light.
I think that saying 97 is an amplification of this conception of the
person that shines light from within. This light is food for the soul
i.e. meal. But in this parable Jesus expands on the subject and
introduces the element of suffering (breaking) and also how he himself
feels as a person of light, i.e. that he is carried by the unconscious
woman. So in a way he feels like a child who is carried by his mother.
Perhaps he wants to convey his own complete feeling of security i.e.
how a light-person will feel when two becomes one. And when the river
of living water finally ceases to flow from his interior he will
arrive at his Fathers house. But the Father is the Great Spirit
himself, i.e. the source of all rivers of living water.
We also know from depth psychology of a process called
'individuation'. When this is invoked the individual has the
experience of being carried by a strong current towards a goal which
have been denoted 'the self'. The carrying current is called 'the
collective unconscious' and is with men personalized as the feminine
figure of the anima. So, psychologically speaking, logion 97 is
comprehensible and must have been expressed by a person that had
experienced these things. He actually talks about this unconscious
woman who is the carrier of the jar that spreads meal over the world.
These symbols are very potent and to a certain extent comprehensible
too. With normal persons, when their candles go out they simply die
and vanish. However, Jesus in logion 97 probably tells us that persons
who have become "persons of light" are carried away to their Father's
house. So their candles do not rest on the ground. They are carried
away and when their candles go out and they die they arrive at the
eternal life at their Father's house.
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